REASON FCKN SUCKS theres a better prog

[shurik]

.......and macs sound better then windows pcs.

I knew a guy who allways told me you need 10.000 Euro A/D D/A Converters to get a proper sound. So I guess all of us can throw away their computers and stop making music! ( I liked the garage band thread the best *lol*)

[nosuch]

I still wish that propellerheads would just split off each reason rack module into a VST and sell them all seperately....

d'accord! I second this. I find myself using reason less since live has midi sequencing. and it is such a mess always to store two files (I switch between a lot of projects) but I have paid like 400 € for it and have all my sounds done in reason. and I am not willing to pay another 400 for another sampler etc.
but things like automat buzzer (freeware by my friend stiwi) or chrystal really help me getting over it.
malmström and the sampler as au or vst - that would be it. i would never touch that rack-mockup again!
I would be willing to pay an upgrade fee though...

[FaX-01]

But to mix them both is ridiculous considering the options for the same price.. Its like pouring mud into a dragster engine instead of high octaine gas... If it works for you, thats just great. Remember>


2 cents & just my opinion

Yes it is just your 2 cents.
I can combine Reason with any of my 3rd party VST effects.
I can use Reaktor and Kubik also + Dimension for pretty much all my other needs.
And processes rewired Reason audio witrh Reaktor effects devices.
It has it's place due to it's sound IMHO.
It adds a different colour and tonality my other synths do not.
I use it for much he same reason I'd use any set a-z variety of hardware.
Tonal colouration and spectral quality.

[supster]

i dont know, seriously now ...

imo you can get a good sound out of almost anything. espeically if you record audio samples into a decent sequencer (like Live) and process it from there.

i used to use reason and got some great sounds out of it, not as good as reaktor or minimonsta or spectrasonics stuff but not anything that didnt sound good to me with what i was doing at the time

a lot of people get good use out of it and combine it with other shit and you would never know
.

[nosuch]

[quote="supster"]imo you can get a good sound out of almost anything./quote]
agreed. imo the reason sampler is as good as anything (iow as good as anything you load into it). synths (hardware/software) are always a matter of taste, aren't they?
To quote the mayor of Berlin: "Und das ist auch gut so!"

[glitchrock-buddha]

I think we can all agree here that complex sounds and arrangements are possible in reason. and maybe we can all agree that reason sounds "good" (for the processor load). But I guess the only difference is that many of us feel that other stuff sounds better or 'ahelluvalotbetter', so why use reason when you have another sequencer. a matter of taste I suppose. It's like someone said about the 303's and 909's being unpopular at first. but tastes change with styles. Now look at how many programs try to emulate those classics. Maybe one day, new, more advanced software will try to emulate that retro 'muddy reason sound' from the days when computer music was just blossoming. ;}

And ya, Prodigy were heavily using reason on their latest "always outnumbered, never outgunned". And ya, you sure can tell. Whether that's a good or bad thing, well, back to taste I guess. If that's the sound you're after, sweet. If you want reason to sound like, say, N.I. synths, good f'n luck.

If the Scream Distortion was for sale as a plug-in, I'd buy it.
If the malstrom synth was a free download as a plug-in, I'd download it.

grb

[jasefos]

I still think reason 3 has it's place in the world but it should probably be rewired..

I must agree on that one (I prefer to use Reason ReWire in the studio) however a set of proper double blind tests would be necessary to absolutely confirm it.

; )

Cheers

[forge]

I know some big name producers and bands that swear by it. Prodigy for one.

.

really baaad example - most people who were into the prodigy from the start wont go near that last album, and besides they back up what was said earlier that you need to then "polish that turd" and stick it through loads of plug-ins to get it sounding decent because he Definitely did that - loads of REALLY HIGH END gear. Liam himself often said he used it more like a sketch pad.

I'm sure it's different now, but the mastering suite is one of the reasons I sold it - I just couldnt believe they'd wasted so much time and resources on a bunch of bloody mastering plug-ins but still WITHOUT taking audio in in anyway - how many real samplers out there dont record audio???? the whole reason it's called a sampler is because it SAMPLES!!! what they were in effect saying is you should do the whole thing in Reason including mastering, but then they missed out some of the most crucial parts.

All it said to me when I saw reason 3 was they completely missed the boat and were only interested in the entry level market.

And it's low on CPU because it is a toy. Like Jackall said, how can ANYONE who uses Live not be hugely UNDERwhelmed by it??

Give anyone with half a brain Live, operator and a bunch of fart noises and you could make something far more interesting than reason.

[Former Pharaoh]

Reason does suck!

Get yourself Energy XT for some serious MIDI sequencing and audio recording.
http://www.xt-hq.com/ If you like the simplicity of Reason and the modularity, this app is excellent!


Need a combinator like device? Get Chainer: http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html

Need a Dr. Rex type of device? get Liveslice: http://www.livelab.dk/liveslice.php
You can have multiple sliced tracks but there's a lot more to this plug!

For synths/fx, go to KVR and download a shitload of freebies and help support the developers with donations. . Not all but a good amount of these freebies are awesome. The ones that do sound good are better sounding than Reason synths.

Energy XT: somewhere around $60-$65
Chainer: $60
Liveslice: about $50

Total: give or take $175 Vs. $499 for Reason.

Not bad for a setup that beats Reason out the door and this coming from a former Reason user.



P.S. The setup is for PC.....

[forge]

If the Scream Distortion was for sale as a plug-in, I'd buy it.
If the malstrom synth was a free download as a plug-in, I'd download it.

grb

he he, other way round for me!

Saturator is in a different league to scream (and set to get even better, or so I'm told ) so I wouldnt buy scream, but I'd like to have malstrom, I'm a fan of Magnus Malstrom's work and I use Microtonic on just about everything!

i used to like the way you could use the malstrom filters on other things, but I sold reason and reinstalled windows so it no longer works...

[clipperer]

can you hear a malström in radiohead - where i and and you begin ? i can.

afterall its just a matter of taste as was said. a mater of what you wanna do. and how.
you guys who dump reason maybe dont get small big things about it.
so simple it is

[rikhyray]

http://www.xsynth.com/demos/index.html

[Johnisfaster]

the last prodigy album was in fact made on reason. so pull your head out of your ass.

[smutek]

No John, as was stated earlier they used it as a sketch pad, but in the end everything was ran through other gear, midi was exported to hardware synths, etc. Atleast I am pretty sure this is the case. There was an interview on the propellerheads site a while back that went into detail about this. I have not read it for a while, but I do remember that it clarified the mis-conception that the entire album was produced using reason. Reason was certainly used, but not in the way that a lot of people said.

It was almost like a lot of reason users needed that endorsement to validify their software. sad really, the power users didn't really seem to give two shits who used it for what because they know how to make it work for them.

With that said, i don't think reason is crap. Lots of people do get a very good soundout if it. The only reason i sold my copy was because

1. I found that I had not used it in almost a year and,

2. because i was limited with my funds and was looking to purchase operator and tacklebox. Otherwise I would have hung on to it, just to have it.

even if it just used as a sketch pad then that is fine. However it works for you ya know. A friend of mine has a pretty sick studio, loads of vintage synths, drum machines, etc. he' in hislate30's and has been collecting since he was a teenager. He uses reason as his primary writing tool, and when he is finished writing he sends everything to logic to drive his hardware.

And there are plenty of people who use it as their primary tool, and get really great sounds out of it.

So yeah, I agree that to call it crap is just silly. It is a matter of what works for you.

[FaX-01]

I still stand by my "it isn't what you use it's how you use it".
A shit guitar in a skilled guitarist's hand may well still sound shit too the quitarist in many respects.
In the context of a certain recording it may also be the only tool that yields the tonal results he's after compositionally and sounds great in that specific mix.
However he can make that mofo sound like no one else can.
I still don't see how you can possibly pan the sound quality in Reason 3.0
You guys must not be using custom 24bit samples in NNXT and the like either.
Excellent 3rd party refills make a massive difference .
I can always find a place for Subtractor in the mix.
Infact with the new Combinator I love it.
Then again I don't use it for analog emulation.
It's strengths for me are glacial , drifting , icy , digital drone scapes and pads / fx etc .... sounds great processed through Live's Saturator I might add and good 3rd party delays like UHE's MoreFeedbackMachine.
Redrum + Mclass devices sounds AS GOOD as anything else I own rythmic wise and I doubt you'd spot the difference in an A/B blind .wav file test also.
I used to use some so called SHIT hardware and get smoking results with a bit of lateral thinking and enginuity.
The fact that is still has a place in my working environment alongside REAKTOR 5 says ALOT in itself. (more than I can say for my now bare vst folder).
You just have to play to any device or synths strong points really.
Can't say I've got anything else that can come close to Maelstroms sonic texture also.
The REV7000 is also uniformly excellent.
I just think calling Reason SHIT outright is ridiculous.
Simpler and Impulse are nothing overly special (in fact they're quite spartan and basic design wise) yet in the right hands with good clip automation they can yield superb results also.
In the right hands anything is a valid medium given it's correct context.
Reason can be used as a purely modular processing device also and yields very good experimental results if you're willing to patch away.
I know for a fact certain peeps out there Rhikyray being one of them wouldn't use it as a tool if it was outright shit.
Reason 3 is a good tool.
It isn't the be all and end all of music production and for certain tasks other tools are better.
As I said used in context and correct placement it is as good as anything else I've ever come across and alot of payware VSTi's are way over rated but that is another thread altogether.