Sidechaining in Live 5

Chris Luzz · Post by **Chris Luzz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:44 am

hello

does any1 know how to sidechain a bassline or pad in Live 5?

i just recently switched from fl studio to live.

any help would be appreciated

zfigz · Post by **zfigz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:00 am

I'd be interested in this too...

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:03 am

im sure there's a tutorial somewhere, search the forum or google it, im sure you'll come up with it. It might even be on the ableton website?

zfigz · Post by **zfigz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:12 am

Well, what I was curious about was sidechaining stuff off of compressors and such. So let's say I have a compressor on drums and I have a lead sidechained so that when the lead starts the drums that are being compressed lose some compression to allow room for the lead when it starts. That's what I'd like to know, but I'm not sure how to sidechain in live.....thanks

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:46 am

you can do it with the live compressor. & the seach function

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29851

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... =sidechain

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:45 am

no, you can't do it with the live compressor.

Not 'real' key input sidechaining anyways, you'll need a 3rd party vst. Those posts say that as well....

zfigz · Post by **zfigz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:34 am

So you can't do sidechaining with the compressor in live eh? What would be the best compressor vst to get in order to sidechain?

Thanks

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:16 pm

there's another thread about this over on general, here is my response...first check out Shomas Audiostation link then I've outlined below how to do it in Live.

This one is for waves C1/SC sidechain comp, but Shoma has listed 3 compressors that will do the trick....

Shoma wrote:Hi not a long time ago i have made a big sidechain tutorial..u can look at it here - http://audiostation.blogspot.com/

Hey Shoma, I just read your tutorial and you can do it with live - basically do exactly what you did for Cubase SX, create an audio track to use as a group, route the kick and bass to that track panned hard left and right (you will also need to create a track to route the kick from impulse to then route THAT track to the sidechain group) panning the kick hard left and set "key" to L>R and use a Send for the output from the kick so you can hear it

you will need to use a couple of utility plug-ins on the group track and send to make it mono or it will be panned hard right or hard left

so, based on impulse for the kick:

1.create audio track and route the impulse kick to it
2. create a group track and place a C1 SC on it with the key set to "L>R" and place a Utility plug in after the C1 set to "mono"
3. route the kick track to the sidechain track and pan it hard left
4. Route the bass track to the sidechain track and pan it hard right
5. create an empty return track and place another utility set to mono
6. turn the send on the kick track for the rtn you just created all the way up

I also added a couple of saturators to beef up the sound, that is up to the user, but this method works!

obviously this is only for mono sidechaing, which is fine for kick and bass, if any one has any ideas for any fancy stereo versions I'm all ears!

zfigz · Post by **zfigz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:56 pm

Sounds a lil' complicated to sidechain with live's compressor. What's the best third party vst to get for a mac computer runing live 5?

thanks

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:24 am

zfigz wrote:Sounds a lil' complicated to sidechain with live's compressor. What's the best third party vst to get for a mac computer runing live 5?

thanks

what I just said was about doing it with Waves C1/SC - you will need to do something similar with any of the sidechaining Comps because the nature of how it works is by combining 2 seperate inputs so you will have to do some kind of routing to get it to work and hear original signals at the same time

atmofunk · Post by **atmofunk** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:57 am

forge wrote: obviously this is only for mono sidechaing, which is fine for kick and bass, if any one has any ideas for any fancy stereo versions I'm all ears!

OtiumFX's "BeatPuncher" does stereo sidechain compression and has a little filter on it for the key input as well -- so you can "tune" your kick drum impulse, for example.

I love it!

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:57 am

atmofunk wrote:
forge wrote: obviously this is only for mono sidechaing, which is fine for kick and bass, if any one has any ideas for any fancy stereo versions I'm all ears!
OtiumFX's "BeatPuncher" does stereo sidechain compression and has a little filter on it for the key input as well -- so you can "tune" your kick drum impulse, for example.

I love it!

link? free/cost?

googoo · Post by **googoo** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:35 pm

www.otiumfx.com and its $49.

futureproof · Post by **futureproof** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:25 pm

Video tutorial: How to hook up a sidechain in Ableton Live with Compadre "Beat Puncher".

http://otium.hjem.myinternet.dk/mirror/ ... echain.zip

zfigz · Post by **zfigz** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:18 pm

Is there a good compressor for macs?

thanks