Techno is dead?

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:21 pm

Dude I love loop based techno - slammin

favorite techno artist / dj's

Chris Liebing
Marco Carola
Frankie Bones
Marco Bailey
Ben Sims

all slamming dj's and producers

I never got into the minimal thing - every once in a while I listen to something on Perlon or ghostly and I don't hear anything, and then out of no where I hear a Bing, then it sounds like distorted air than another bong and wobble and then nothing and then ping

I swear the minimal techno I hear is just a guy kicking a can down a very quiet street in the dark - clang, bong, dong wobble

I like 4 on the floor super slamming, heavily compressed super funky club destroyers with lots of edits, heavy synth stabs / lines and progressive sequencing - bluring the line of music and reality - is it the record or the dj, the dj or the record - either way it's blowing up

but I'm usuallyt he guy up in the dj booth peeping the technique, no what I mean - rarely if ever do I dance or just hang out - for me the business is going on behind the decks and I like action, lots of action!

Carl Cox

Donald Glaude - I threw this party back in '99 called Molecule at the old naf studios - the party was nuts 3500 + in a space that held about 2000 - the weekend of the WTO riots and people where off their nut - Frankie Bones, DRC, DieselBoy and Scott Hardkiss - Donald goes on at 7am and played the most unreal techno set I've ever heard - remember that HMC remix of Pulsate (the record had a black label) just destroyed the place

Christian Varela

wow

techno rocks - deep house blows ass

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lola · Post by **lola** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:49 pm

chis wrote:
lola wrote:Techno died already in 94 for me, since it has become loop based militaristic tsoocho train music.
The soul dissapeared totaly.
For me the real stuff is still the detroit stuff from the mid 80's and older.
Yes, too many Hawtin wannabees peddling minimal bullshit, or Basic Channel copyists, Luomo/Disco crossovering or... yes... schranz.

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Mebe i say something that will someone hit in the chest , sorry for that, its only my opinion.

This is how i see it

This trend involves all electronic music.
With the comming of superstar dj's, stardom, money, and software.
Lots of peepz want a release for some odd reason, the money, the stardom, and music last.
Therefore no inovation takes place but pure copycatting, labels play safe and release that shit cuz they can earn some money with it, especialy in this time of age considering loss with mp3's
Some people who want a release and send their stuff to a label that does not want their material, form a label by themselfs, therefore the "market gets poluted with every week 10 new techno labels for instance.
There is just to much, if u take the same ingredient every day, the food will loose its taste.
People get spoiled.

imo.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:58 pm

I'd like to hear some of the original Detroit techno.

Any recommendations for the original, non-commercial tracks?

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:07 pm

If it isn't dark I don't want to hear it.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:16 pm

Moody wrote:If it isn't dark I don't want to hear it.

It's always dark here... friggin' winter in England...

amo · Post by **amo** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:27 pm

hambone1 wrote:I'd like to hear some of the original Detroit techno.

Any recommendations for the original, non-commercial tracks?

Hi Hambone,

In fact, I would say that more than the tracks, the mixes count. Lots of material is just material, but once performed (and really performed, not just a track followed by another track), it takes a lot of sense, in front of an audience.
Techno is not something I enjoy much at home, but I've been on tremendous dance floors with crazy DJs, and that's what I call Techno.

There is another important pole in techno (I posted in that thread before but only the quote remained

), and it comes from the UK, early 90s, from the Spiral Tribe.
Two guys I saw live, and that's probably the only real live techno gigs I saw in my life: Chrystal Distortion, and 69db. One is british, the other one french, and those guys performs with any gear available for them at the time being. I saw Chrystal Distortion many times. Never the same machines... seen him with electribes, Juno synths, RS7000 and whatnot. He performs, plays patterns, creates some on the fly, plays keyboard and whatnot... amazing ! and so dancable, which comes first IMO. His albums are different stuff (I would say obviously)

So if you can find mixes or live recordings, that's a way to go. There is a double CD "Network 23 CD", worth checking ! Google it !

Best,

amo

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:42 pm

I get the impression that techno, particularly minimal, needs to be appreciated live.

My limited attention span can't last 32 measures of the same repetitive loop...

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:54 pm

hambone1 wrote:I get the impression that techno, particularly minimal, needs to be appreciated live.

My limited attention span can't last 32 measures of the same repetitive loop...

Minimal, appreciated live - well first Minimal needs a beat, any kind of drum beat will do - second random blips and blops don't make people dance - third how are people suppose to dance to something you can barely hear?

Cling, clang, bong, boop

I know why they call it ghostly because it's what a ghost would sound like - just air and the ghost bumping into random pieces of furniture randomly

Who the hell is going ot dance to a word document (glitch anyone)?

Out of curiosity I listen to alot of minimal stuff at the record store and I can barely hear the record, it sounds like air in a big vacum of reverb - then out of no where a "bing" then a "poop" (Beat repeated) and then nothing

Have you noticed the grooves on a minimal piece of vinyl - there's nothing there -as opposed to the new Tronic (Marco Nastik side) you can see the grooves in the record - It actually looks like somethings there to be played

Keep minimal were it belongs, on a laptop at home with the producer.

Dave Clarke for President of the UNIVERSE!

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amo · Post by **amo** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:56 pm

hambone1 wrote:I get the impression that techno, particularly minimal, needs to be appreciated live.

My limited attention span can't last 32 measures of the same repetitive loop...

Yep. The two guys I was talking about NEVER let the same loop play for mor than 32 measures !

tommy james · Post by **tommy james** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:13 pm

Strauzzie wrote:Evoleme, I'm also a Clevelander.. the techno scene here is far from dead. There are a few crews consistently throwing good shows. For instance, Plate Tectonics has a monthly at Abbasso, and the dudes at Bent Crayon (great record store) have a techno monthly at Touch Supper Club. Also, Dwreck and Boompsie have a 2x4 + EFX weekly on Fridays at Krave (in the flats).

Check out clevelandnightlife.net and make some connections there, I think you'll be surprised at the number of people pushing things forward here.

Also, if you're interested in doing some Ableton collabs, hit me up. JBible on this forum is also a clevelander doing big things with his expermedia.net label.

- Strauzzie

Nice links there Strauzzie. I'm kinda new to the scene, hopefully I'll be getting a live show together in the upcoming months. I am definitely down for any collabs in the area if anyone is interested. I'm on the east side (shaker heights). Hopefully, I'll be posting some tunes on the "post your music" thread pretty soon. I don't know if techno is dead, but I love ableton live.

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:15 am

hambone1 wrote:I get the impression that techno, particularly minimal, needs to be appreciated live.

My limited attention span can't last 32 measures of the same repetitive loop...

smoke a spliff, drink a beer, sit in your studio and TURN IT UP, you might feel different!

john gordon · Post by **john gordon** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:52 am

ok i will be the first to say it.techno is fucking dead!!!!

sans soleil · Post by **sans soleil** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:01 am

techno is dead !

painting is over !

rock is finished !

elvis lives !

urgl.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:49 am

forge wrote:
hambone1 wrote:I get the impression that techno, particularly minimal, needs to be appreciated live.

My limited attention span can't last 32 measures of the same repetitive loop...
smoke a spliff, drink a beer, sit in your studio and TURN IT UP, you might feel different!

To me, music should be able to stand alone. If appreciating it requires a mind-altering substance, IMO there's something lacking!

That's not to deny that it can enhance the overall experience...

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:31 am

forge wrote:Yeah man, I've always been fascinated by your presence - A live user from Alaska - kind of always seemed like strange bedfellows - but maybe I just watched too much northern exposure

it was the 20 mile drive to Detroit from my parents house that got the techno bug inside of me.. i was hooked on claude young in 1993 and left right before richie got banned from the US..

now the closet city is Vancouver and thats a 3 hour plane ride, and it is hard to say how much longer i'll stay up here..i'v seen most of the state and my feet are starting to itch.

but i will admit that it is hard for me to comprehend techno having acceptence (popularity) inside of the dance music sceen, as i'v only experienced it when i go back and visit my family in detroit...I'v lived a couple other places and traveled alot but usually get the "huh? techno? like the lords of acid?" from people.

i love techno---from detroit to sweden to all the micro/minamal thats blowing my mind lately

actually quite a few quality artists have come up here to play, usually 1 or 2 a year..

Techno is dead?

cleveland represent