beatport downloads. wavs vs. vinyl

[dirtystudios]

There's something about the slight distortion and artifacts generated by records that make the music seeem more real.

tiny bit of saturator + that vinyl noise plug. lol ... no really, try it

it really all depends on whether you want to pay the extra $10-12 for the artwork and a little bit of mystique and bragging rights.

i swear thats basically it
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Awesome, that leaves more vinyl for me then.

k

[dirtystudios]

There's something about the slight distortion and artifacts generated by records that make the music seeem more real.

tiny bit of saturator + that vinyl noise plug. lol ... no really, try it

it really all depends on whether you want to pay the extra $10-12 for the artwork and a little bit of mystique and bragging rights.

i swear thats basically it
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I suppose that a lot of people just aren't ready to slip entrely into the digital realm. I buy a ton of music in download-only form, but it is nice to actually get something physical.

I think this is probably due to the nature of supply and demand. Since humans started buying and selling thousands of years ago, price has almost always been determined by supply, as well as by demand. With physcal things, there is always a limited supply, hence there is always the notion of worth, be it great or small. If you remove the laws of physical reproduction, like you do in the digital realm, suddenly the supply is unlimited, and the basis for worth needs to be found elsewhere. It's a pretty radical shift in the way we asses value, and to expect everyone to just abandon ten thousand years of conditioning isn't very reasonable. A part of me is a little suprised that this model has caught on as quick as it did.

That and vinyl on the shelf makes me look hipper than I am.

k

[supster]

There's something about the slight distortion and artifacts generated by records that make the music seeem more real.

tiny bit of saturator + that vinyl noise plug. lol ... no really, try it

it really all depends on whether you want to pay the extra $10-12 for the artwork and a little bit of mystique and bragging rights.

i swear thats basically it
.

I suppose that a lot of people just aren't ready to slip entrely into the digital realm. I buy a ton of music in download-only form, but it is nice to actually get something physical.

I think this is probably due to the nature of supply and demand. Since humans started buying and selling thousands of years ago, price has almost always been determined by supply, as well as by demand. With physcal things, there is always a limited supply, hence there is always the notion of worth, be it great or small. If you remove the laws of physical reproduction, like you do in the digital realm, suddenly the supply is unlimited, and the basis for worth needs to be found elsewhere. It's a pretty radical shift in the way we asses value, and to expect everyone to just abandon ten thousand years of conditioning isn't very reasonable. A part of me is a little suprised that this model has caught on as quick as it did.

That and vinyl on the shelf makes me look hipper than I am.

k

haha ..you are dead on imo


here is the way i look at it really:

its great for the artist because now you are bypassing so much crap and so many middlemen. so as long as you can reach people that are into what you do you can potentially make more money.

also, more money faster, because its so much cheaper for everyone (label, producer) to post a digital download on bp or edm than it is to press 500 copies of vinyl

you still need to promote but even that is instant and online more and more anyway

so: higher profits for you, faster, easier sounds better to me. all of the people who steal the music ...

half of them would never have been buying your shit anyway. but now theyve heard of you and might be curious to buy later.

so basically with such a great thing overall you might as well support it and if it means you need the highest quality wav, buy that.

but i dont think having some artwork (on a "12?? lol its barely nothing anyway usually), and a little "aint it cool" and warm fuzzy feeling ...

.. that you are taking more time out to rip PLUS 10 more bucks out of pocket for every single one ... i dont think it really compares ...
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[dirtystudios]

haha ..you are dead on imo


here is the way i look at it really:

its great for the artist because now you are bypassing so much crap and so many middlemen. so as long as you can reach people that are into what you do you can potentially make more money.

also, more money faster, because its so much cheaper for everyone (label, producer) to post a digital download on bp or edm than it is to press 500 copies of vinyl

you still need to promote but even that is instant and online more and more anyway

so: higher profits for you, faster, easier sounds better to me. all of the people who steal the music ...

half of them would never have been buying your shit anyway. but now theyve heard of you and might be curious to buy later.

so basically with such a great thing overall you might as well support it and if it means you need the highest quality wav, buy that.

but i dont think having some artwork (on a "12?? lol its barely nothing anyway usually), and a little "aint it cool" and warm fuzzy feeling ...

.. that you are taking more time out to rip PLUS 10 more bucks out of pocket for every single one ... i dont think it really compares ...
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I agree, it absolutely has it's advantages. The biggest advantage for me is the ability to satisfy my immediate cravings for almost any track. I can go from "Ooo, I'd like to hear that" to actually hearing it, in seconds flat.

k

[forge]

With physcal things, there is always a limited supply, hence there is always the notion of worth, be it great or small. If you remove the laws of physical reproduction, like you do in the digital realm, suddenly the supply is unlimited, and the basis for worth needs to be found elsewhere. ....
k

the supply is not unlimited at all, people still have to make it

is the actual production of the music not worth anything in physical value?

the fact that there is a music industry at all is testament to the fact that people are willing to pay for something intangeble

personally, when I left the UK I gave my decks (all be it cheap belt drive Numarks) and all my records away. I've never pretended to be a DJ, but I did have quite a few records, but I'm one of these modern types who has been wating for the day when it's all digital

And I think aside from old collectables, vinyl's days are numbered - it just wont be at all viable to press it up before long so the only vinyl DJs will be playing old stuff, everything new will be digital

[Machinate]

With physcal things, there is always a limited supply, hence there is always the notion of worth, be it great or small. If you remove the laws of physical reproduction, like you do in the digital realm, suddenly the supply is unlimited, and the basis for worth needs to be found elsewhere. ....
k

the supply is not unlimited at all, people still have to make it

so there's a limit to how many times you can sell an mp3? I did not know that

the fact that there is a music industry at all is testament to the fact that people are willing to pay for something intangeble

Come on man, the industry is based on record sales and merchandise. Sure the mp3 market is booming, but the industry isn't based on it.

And I think aside from old collectables, vinyl's days are numbered - it just wont be at all viable to press it up before long so the only vinyl DJs will be playing old stuff, everything new will be digital

or the opposite will happen - vinyl djs will be payed a premium for doing that vintage yet innovative spinning platter thing...
Andreas

[marsh240sx]

well my 1st attempt at the wavs from beatport is turning out to be fun..

1 of the tracks appears to be corrupt on the server.

Site shows 2:58min when previewed, when downloaded and played back it shows total time of 5:38min, but wont play back past 2:58min.

Opened in a cool edit pro it shows the total track but once it hits 2:58min it starts sounding like the sample rate changed some how and cutting in and out.
downloaded it a few times to make sure it wasn't the download causing and every time it was the same spot and read the same way. Still waiting on a response from them but it was only yesterday.. I'm patient

[forge]

the supply is not unlimited at all, people still have to make it

so there's a limit to how many times you can sell an mp3? I did not know that

the fact that there is a music industry at all is testament to the fact that people are willing to pay for something intangeble

Come on man, the industry is based on record sales and merchandise. Sure the mp3 market is booming, but the industry isn't based on it.

And I think aside from old collectables, vinyl's days are numbered - it just wont be at all viable to press it up before long so the only vinyl DJs will be playing old stuff, everything new will be digital

or the opposite will happen - vinyl djs will be payed a premium for doing that vintage yet innovative spinning platter thing...
Andreas[/quote]

I was talking about the abstract concept of music itself - people dont just buy records for the bit of plastic and cover - sure it was part of it but the thing they are buying is the music

The industry might have once been based on record sales but artists make more money off playing live (and merchandise, true) - there's no money in recorded music for the artist, but the point about supply is there wouldnt be any supply if there wasnt somebody there making it.

[Machinate]

I was talking about the abstract concept of music itself - people dont just buy records for the bit of plastic and cover - sure it was part of it but the thing they are buying is the music

well that's what I'm saying really, the vinyl collector doesn't just buy into the concept of the album. It *is* very much about ownership of something - I feel that even with my inherited jazz-funk collection: Having that rack of vinyl makes you feel special in a way.

[Twigg]

Vinyl will forever be a worthwhile investment.
A downloadable .wav file is only a file of 1's and 0's.
As powerful as it is... is still worthless in the physical world.

Buying strictly .wav/digital files in a lot of ways... is sorta pissing money
down the toilet. At least with Vinyl, there's something physical. an actual
product to represent it. contain the music within.

I understand the idea of Vinyl being a collectors item, but this is a completely seperate issue when compared to the actual music on the vinyl. If you want to collect items that will appreciate in value, collect stamps or hockey cards or antiques. They'll appreciate faster!

The fact is (for me) I don't enjoy a vinyl record because its rare or exclusive. I'd love that record because it was the only place I new where to find that song. But now that I can find the songs on the net, I hold no love for vinyl. Its ultimately just a transport medium. And a bad one at that.

[dirtystudios]

With physcal things, there is always a limited supply, hence there is always the notion of worth, be it great or small. If you remove the laws of physical reproduction, like you do in the digital realm, suddenly the supply is unlimited, and the basis for worth needs to be found elsewhere. ....
k

the supply is not unlimited at all, people still have to make it

I meant the actual purchased unit. People still need to record the album, but the actual unit sold is no longer bound by the physical laws of reproduction. When people buy a CD or some vinyl, the instinct is not that they are paying for the recording costs, or for the artsist trouble in making the album. The instictual thought is that you are buying this individual CD. I'm giving the clerk money, and he's hading me a CD, that the transaction. Sure, if people give it a little thought, then the other aspects of how that CD came to be come into play.

is the actual production of the music not worth anything in physical value?

This new distribution methods admonishes that initial reaction to a trade. That's why value needs to be shifted from the CD itself, to the process by which the album came about.

the fact that there is a music industry at all is testament to the fact that people are willing to pay for something intangeble

But up untill this point, when you bought an album, you got something tangeble, so I don't think it's a testament to that at all.

And I think aside from old collectables, vinyl's days are numbered - it just wont be at all viable to press it up before long so the only vinyl DJs will be playing old stuff, everything new will be digital

I think we may see a decline, but there will always be a market for tangable goods, and there will always be DJ's who spin wax.

k

[supster]

This new distribution methods admonishes that initial reaction to a trade.

That's why value needs to be shifted from the CD itself, to the process by which the album came about.

this is exactly the point i think

the medium the music came on is all part of the process that stands between the music and the listener.

just about all of that money to press, package, and deliver has just been going to the people that stand in the middle anyway

what people want is the music. really, you buying the music is the point. all that other stuff is not necessary at this point.

if somebody wants something that shows "yes, i was cool in [20xx ... insert date here] cause i was onto this shit when it came out" - then they can buy t-shirts and posters or print out custom work from the web i think.
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[inis]

Anyone that thinks Vinyl turntables in clubs as a standard, or wax DJ's getting paid a "premium" for their "craft" are sooo fucking screwed, lol. You will be left in the dust, holding your big ass record bag.

In 15 years, vinyl DJ's and the respect for them will be a thing of the past. Like the tape deck DJ's before them.

hahahahahaha. someone link that picture of the guy that made the tape deck's to DJ with. i love that pic.

[dirtystudios]

In 15 years, vinyl DJ's and the respect for them will be a thing of the past. Like the tape deck DJ's before them.

I don't think so. It may die for those DJ's who are only interested in playback, but the turntable has moved beyond merely a way to playback music. It has evolved into a musical instrument. If it hadn't, then I'd say you were correct, and the turntable's day may be numbered, as much more efficient ways of playback have been developed.

However, it did evolve, and there's a massive culture that goes along with. Are you saying that people will just abandon the craft of turntablism, after all the effort that has gone into developing techniques and styles, simply because it's not convenient?

I can't think of any instrument that, after acheiving the popularity of the turntable, just died, even over the course of centuries, let alone a decade and a half.

k

[inis]

I think true turntableism will always be around. just like bagpipers and every other amazing artist that isnt popular with most of the general public.

but, 99.9% of DJ's in the world, have no skill to justify this. They might think of themselves as some special artists or turntabalists, bt in reality, they have no special skill that cant be mastered by any random individual and 6 months of practice.

There are definetly some amazing turntabalists in the world and they will always have places to perform. I was speaking in the club realm. These turntabalists (extrelemly rare as they are today, and no doubt be even more 15 years from now) will be performing in concert halls, stages, etc. They wont be doing sets back to back with people mixing house or trance with live.