Mac to PC switch and which labtop to buy for best performanc

rolfski · Post by **rolfski** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:02 pm

Looks like this could be something for you:

http://www.pcdj.co.uk/shop/item.php?id=35

macdeath · Post by **macdeath** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:08 pm

hey dudes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
see the lord of the rings post production video:
post production=64+channels at 24/96 or evens at 192
what they use? yeah for sure a centrino or opteron or aother shits...
alongside with the biggest bullshit:WINDOWS

let me tell you a story:
one friend had a live p.a. the past week (psy trance music)
1 pc optimized for audio from a professional (distributor for hardware/software)
as he was playing his guitar baaaaaaammmmmmmmmmm!!!
he restartded his pc but no response only bios acess ...

another story:

at a festival (kaiafas dance 2004) when greek artists went up to the stage the music soon or later stopped!the reason WINDOWS,TOSHIBA,VAIO
no israeli,french,deutch artist stopped his performance

Goran@Irrupt · Post by **Goran@Irrupt** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:13 pm

macdeath wrote: one friend had a live p.a. the past week (psy trance music)

hmmm... now i see...

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Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:30 pm

macdeath wrote:the reason WINDOWS,TOSHIBA,VAIO

wow!

I'm only using fixed point numbers in MY psy-trance from now on.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:30 pm

thanks for the back up y'all, I was hoping I wasn't too harsh. I personally would say that I would not buy an HP or a Compaq--yes they are great prices, but the reason for that is because they use the cheapest possible components inside to meet the specs--the cheapest. For me, I 'd rather pay more and know I have better parts inside, not the cheapest possible ones. This can be very important when using a pcmcia cardbus for soundcards like my RME multiface, where TI chipsets are supposed to be the best, and HP and Compaq are using somewhat no name chinese components. I've never owned either, and some people surely have good sucess with them, but the one person I know who owns a "high end" HP laptop with good specs has sent it back no less than three times in under two years for various problems, has had to buy a new power supply, and generally has had issues with it often. I personally would rather fork up an extra 10-25% up front and have a perfectly functioning machine from day one.

And for the centrino/P4 M comments--yes they are faster if you compare a 2.0 centrino to a 2.0 straight-up P4, yes the battery life is WAY better on centrino machines, BUT, if you don't care about battery life, and are trying to stay on a budget, P4 laptops like mine can give you more bang for buck in terms of processing, and besides heat and short battery life (neither of which bother me), they can be great machines for studio and performance.

Ryan

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:35 pm

macdeath wrote:hey dudes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
see the lord of the rings post production video:
post production=64+channels at 24/96 or evens at 192
what they use? yeah for sure a centrino or opteron or aother shits...
alongside with the biggest bullshit:WINDOWS

let me tell you a story:
one friend had a live p.a. the past week (psy trance music)
1 pc optimized for audio from a professional (distributor for hardware/software)
as he was playing his guitar baaaaaaammmmmmmmmmm!!!
he restartded his pc but no response only bios acess ...

another story:

at a festival (kaiafas dance 2004) when greek artists went up to the stage the music soon or later stopped!the reason WINDOWS,TOSHIBA,VAIO
no israeli,french,deutch artist stopped his performance

well then, that settles it, macs rule

For every story you can come up with about windows sucking, dozens of hardcore pc live users on these forums can tell you from their own personal experience that they've never had those problems. And I myself and surely others have seen or experienced problems with macs on stage--point is that neither platform is infallible, and that with Live, it is usally something particular about the system, interface, "optimization", and possible user stupidity that causes the problem--not the software itself, not the operating system itself--90something % of the time it is particularities of the individual setup. notice how no one on this thread is agreeing with you. consider stfu.

Ryan

drush · Post by **drush** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:50 pm

quandry wrote:And for the centrino/P4 M comments--yes they are faster if you compare a 2.0 centrino to a 2.0 straight-up P4, yes the battery life is WAY better on centrino machines, BUT, if you don't care about battery life, and are trying to stay on a budget, P4 laptops like mine can give you more bang for buck in terms of processing...

sorry but that is totally not true. if you compare a 2.0 Centrino (therefore, Dothan) to a 2.0 P4, the P4 will get smoked -- which you already basically said. however Centrinos aren't significantly more $ these days, if they are more at all. they've been around long enough. hell, they're getting replaced next month.

as most of you know but maybe the original poster doesn't, you can multiply the clockspeed of a Centrino chip by about 1.3-1.5x to get an equivalent P4 speed/performance. don't be confused by straight megahertz, it's not applicable here. P/M is a superior laptop chip.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 8:14 pm

drush wrote:
quandry wrote:And for the centrino/P4 M comments--yes they are faster if you compare a 2.0 centrino to a 2.0 straight-up P4, yes the battery life is WAY better on centrino machines, BUT, if you don't care about battery life, and are trying to stay on a budget, P4 laptops like mine can give you more bang for buck in terms of processing...
sorry but that is totally not true. if you compare a 2.0 Centrino (therefore, Dothan) to a 2.0 P4, the P4 will get smoked -- which you already basically said. however Centrinos aren't significantly more $ these days, if they are more at all. they've been around long enough. hell, they're getting replaced next month.

as most of you know but maybe the original poster doesn't, you can multiply the clockspeed of a Centrino chip by about 1.3-1.5x to get an equivalent P4 speed/performance. don't be confused by straight megahertz, it's not applicable here. P/M is a superior laptop chip.

I'm confused. you bascially are in full agreement with what you quoted from me, but said it is "totally not true"--I don't understand. I said:

a 2.0 centrino will be faster than a 2.0 P4--you agree

I said:

a P4 will be cheaper than a comparable centrino--you agree, saying they aren't "signigicantly more $"

So how is it we agree on both of these issues you quote me on (albeit with maybe slightly different takes on "significant" or "budget"), but you say what I said is "totally not true"--you lost me, especially since it is true (at least to a degree, "signigicant" and other adjectives aside), and you agree. Does that make what you said "totally not true"? Its fine to say your piece and what your are saying is correct, but you are essentially in agreement with me and it makes no sense to slam me and say what I said is "totally not true" and then go on to reiterate whay I said. "totally" seems "totally" out of place. merry christmas.

detroitechno · Post by **detroitechno** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:40 pm

I'll drop a vote for the Acer Travelmate 3002wtci over here!

It's small, very light! 3lb's! 1.72ghz centrino, Widescreen 12.1", POWERED FIREWIRE!!!

The powered firewire is a must if your using any firewire audio interface! All powerbooks have this feature, but this is the ONLY pc laptop with that option! I've been running it for about 2 months now, and haven't had a bluescreen or crash yet. I had live crash twice on me, but that was because I was using the very buggy Neuron VS! The neuron has TONS of memory leaking, automation error's ect... And Hartmann went out of business, so it will never be updated.

Anyways, Acer all the way over here. Runs more stable, and WAY WAY faster than my old ibook.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:07 pm

gateway has also offered a few laptops with powered 6 pin firewire, my brother has one. I think I've seen another manufacturer or two using powered 6 pin on pcs--can't remember who. Also, people seem to have had some sucess using their firewire interfaces along with a pcmcia firewire card that has two 6 pin fw sockets, fwiw, ymmv, etc...Also, isn't is possible to power some fw interfaces with a wall plug and just use the 6 pin to 4 pin cable. I suppose you could also have a firewire hardrive with a wall wart and 6 to 4 pin cable into your laptop, and run your fw interface 6 pin to 6 pin cord into your harddrive and power it from the hardrive? There are definitely some fw interfaces like the alesis multimix that require plugging into a wall socket, 6 pin firewire or not, so for these, a 6 to 4 pin firewire should be fine....

Ryan

Daduk · Post by **Daduk** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:08 pm

So of all the helpfull insights I filtered the following which I take into consideration. A Laptop has to at least consist the following parts:

1. CENTRINO. or AMD64. *NOT* P4 or Celeron.
2. As much RAM as I can afford.
3. At least a 5400rpm internal drive. If I can get a 7200, I go for it.
4. Powered Firewire as I use a MOTU 828 mk2 which has firewire.

I will have to wait untill the 10th of january as Apple will announce their new intel machines so this list can become bigger with all the relevant parts in order to get the best laptop for me but also others for audio for this moment in time. As I prefer quality above cheap stuff I don't care about the higher price of the stuff..

Thank you all for your time and a happy christmas!!

frahnque · Post by **frahnque** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:44 am

I can only agree with the others on the PC/Mac thing. I have one iMac G5 1.8 GHz (1 GB Ram), one Intel P4 @ 3 GHz with 2 GB Ram and one Intel Pentium M 740 @ 1,73 Ghz (Centrino) with 1 GB Ram and all I can say that in that trio my iMac performs the worst with the Intel Pentim M 740 coming up on the top of all that.
All of the machines run with my M-AudioFirewire 410.

I know the iMac G5 isn't a "PRO Deluxe workstation with extra everything" but it still says something about the processing power.
Fixed point whatever or not. I go with floating points and they sure seem to have a whole lot a more "flow" (pun intended)

My Pentium M740 laptop is a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo M1437G. It might run a bit hot at times, but I've neever had any blue screening or anything. It performs beautifully with the builtin FW controller and the M-Audio Firewire 410 (a lot of people seem to have problems with this card, I don't) and the Performance test sets my computer at a max of 27% CPU usage.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:05 am

macdeath wrote:
"WHEN YOU GO MAC YOU NEVER GO BACK!!!"

Nah - I went from PC to Mac back in like '02 - switched back to PC 3 weeks ago and I'm pretty stoked

I think's it's the other way around

Oh yeah - the performance test don't lie - I hit 30% with my AMD

It's even holding it's own with the new Reaktor 5.1 Ensembles

lay-ta

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drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:04 am

quandry wrote:
drush wrote:
quandry wrote:And for the centrino/P4 M comments--yes they are faster if you compare a 2.0 centrino to a 2.0 straight-up P4, yes the battery life is WAY better on centrino machines, BUT, if you don't care about battery life, and are trying to stay on a budget, P4 laptops like mine can give you more bang for buck in terms of processing...
sorry but that is totally not true. if you compare a 2.0 Centrino (therefore, Dothan) to a 2.0 P4, the P4 will get smoked -- which you already basically said. however Centrinos aren't significantly more $ these days, if they are more at all. they've been around long enough. hell, they're getting replaced next month.

as most of you know but maybe the original poster doesn't, you can multiply the clockspeed of a Centrino chip by about 1.3-1.5x to get an equivalent P4 speed/performance. don't be confused by straight megahertz, it's not applicable here. P/M is a superior laptop chip.
I'm confused. you bascially are in full agreement with what you quoted from me, but said it is "totally not true"--I don't understand. I said:

a 2.0 centrino will be faster than a 2.0 P4--you agree

I said:

a P4 will be cheaper than a comparable centrino--you agree, saying they aren't "signigicantly more $"

So how is it we agree on both of these issues you quote me on (albeit with maybe slightly different takes on "significant" or "budget"), but you say what I said is "totally not true"--you lost me, especially since it is true (at least to a degree, "signigicant" and other adjectives aside), and you agree. Does that make what you said "totally not true"? Its fine to say your piece and what your are saying is correct, but you are essentially in agreement with me and it makes no sense to slam me and say what I said is "totally not true" and then go on to reiterate whay I said. "totally" seems "totally" out of place. merry christmas.

relax.

what is (totally) not true about what you said is: "P4 laptops like mine can give you more bang for buck in terms of processing". that isn't the case. the price/performance ratio is very much on the side of centrinos these days. all the more true with Yonah around the corner (because the price of centrino-equipped laptops is going down).

also, i chose to say "totally" for Daduk's benefit in trying to make an educated purchase decision. not b/c i was trying to talk about how wrong you were. i don't care and don't do petty shit like that. remember that i started off my contribution to this thread by agreeing with you.

drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:10 am

Daduk wrote:..A Laptop has to at least consist the following parts:

1. CENTRINO. or AMD64. *NOT* P4 or Celeron.
2. As much RAM as I can afford.
3. At least a 5400rpm internal drive. If I can get a 7200, I go for it.
4. Powered Firewire as I use a MOTU 828 mk2 which has firewire.

regarding #4: remember you aren't going to get a powered firewire port on a PC. to my knowledge there's never been a PC that comes with a 6-pin FW port. they're all 4-pin, i.e. passive.

this doesn't really matter for you though. you're going to want to plug in that 828 so a 4-pin FW port is fine. remember that you want a Texas Instruments (TI) firewire board if you can get it. FW can sometimes be flaky on PCs when internals aren't high quality.

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