bidule vs. max/msp vs. reaktor vs ?

clipperer · Post by **clipperer** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:37 pm

but no need for that i think, ive found a link: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr04/a ... techre.htm

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:42 pm

computo wrote:Its like building little musical robots, except you really CAN build robots, with the teleo additions.

Makes me want to go for MAX right away

stratusseeker · Post by **stratusseeker** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:18 pm

so maybe someone who gets inspired can help dead beats like me get back into it.

i just re-installed my version of max.

The Benjamin · Post by **The Benjamin** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:02 pm

Thanks to everyone who's replied so far.

To Leonard: No, the programs I mentioned in my post topic weren't the only ones I'd consider. I've been curious about Pd and Supercollider. I've done a little work with Csound in the past when I was trying to learn the fundamentals of synthesis.

What is IAC? You mention it for midi routing.

computo · Post by **computo** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:52 pm

tyson wrote:I have seen pictures of Autechre's max patches on the internet. They also talk about max in interviews a lot.

make that TALKED about it...

they havent been using these Max patches for awhile, unfortunately...

They're recent tour was all electribes or similar groovebox-type devices...

Ive NEVER been as dissappointed with a show. I left early. In fact, everyone I knew at the show was there to see them rock laptops with Max, and I think everybody was a little hurt when there were no laptops.

Autechre needs to return to their roots.

clipperer · Post by **clipperer** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:21 am

Autechre needs to return to their roots.

i think they know what theyre doing, though i havent been on that show.
we drink only to get sober again.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:45 am

computo wrote: In fact, everyone I knew at the show was there to see them rock laptops with Max

wow... you max heads need to learn to google, man...

seriously, though - I'd be soo bummed if I finally got to see AE and it sucked.

leonard · Post by **leonard** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:21 am

The Benjamin wrote:Thanks to everyone who's replied so far.

To Leonard: No, the programs I mentioned in my post topic weren't the only ones I'd consider. I've been curious about Pd and Supercollider. I've done a little work with Csound in the past when I was trying to learn the fundamentals of synthesis.

What is IAC? You mention it for midi routing.

thats apples internal "Interapplication Communication" busses for sending midi between applications. They need to do that with audio too, but oh well.
On second thoughts, SC prolly wouldn't be so good if your on windows, its lacking alot of the features of the more mature OSX/linux versions.

I still dont see why learning PD would be harder than MAX, but what do I know?

computo · Post by **computo** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:52 am

Pd just doesnt have the support network that max has.

nor the tutorials, nor the plethora of example patches.

and there is a sound driver, called soundflower for mac, that does the interapp audio you are refering to.

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leonard · Post by **leonard** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:51 am

yes, I installed soundflower the other day. Singlehanddly the most vicious piece of crap I've ever encountered. System lockups, blackouts, I couldn't even get into my sound prefs to change the sound. I had to completely erase my system parition and reinstall tiger just to get rid of the damage. SFBed would quit after 10 minutes of usage as well. Jack-OSX used to be my tool, but she wont work with my delta audiophile card, for whateve reason. Thats why I think mac should do something like the jack server straight into core-audio.

The Benjamin · Post by **The Benjamin** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:28 pm

Most of my music work is done on Windows, but I have an old g3 iBook that I use for almost everything else. I use it to play with OS X-only audio apps from time to time. I played around with Numerology into Live one time, and so I guess I did know what IAC was, I just didn't know what it was called. Anyway, I was impressed that the functionality existed prebuilt into OSX--I use midiyoke to do the same thing in windows, and it works (usually) but it's kind of a hack.

I REALLY REALLY wish that one of the commercial operating systems--the ones that can run Live--had built-in functionality like JACK apparently has on Linux. Things like rewire are nice and all, but really, people making music (solely) on computers has reached pretty substantial maturity. It just doesn't seem like too much to ask to have built in to the operating system the functionality of a that crazy piece of technology, the patch bay.

Apparently it is too much to ask, though.

And that's the end of my little tirade.

computo · Post by **computo** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:42 pm

I guarantee that soundflower wasnt the cause of your problems.

Ive NEVER had an issue with it. Perhaps it exposed other flaws in your system, but soundflower is completely solid.

And substantial maturity?

Please. When the majority of signed artists dont even perform "live", Id hardly call this movement mature. In its infancy, actually.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:38 pm

Is there an easy method to get more than 16 tracks going with soundflower? I am trying to test some Live/logic communication methods and logic's need for stereo pair outs is eating things up. Is it really as easy as just running the application twice? I can visually see the sound bed, but not the soundflower "app" itself, so I am not sure how to do this.

BTW, I am reading up on max right now and I enjoy it greatly. I think it's a relationship that is just meant to be. It's not hard at all. Much easier than Logic.

"It's just going to take patience and time- to do it right child".

Is there a way to work with more than 255 colors in MAX? I for one like powder blue...

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:11 pm

Doesn't the RGB method with 0-255 for red, green and blue imply that there are 256*256*256 colours available?

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:20 pm

Machinate wrote:Doesn't the RGB method with 0-255 for red, green and blue imply that there are 256*256*256 colours available?

Of course. But can it come in powder blue? (this is my favorite fightclub reference)