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Post by djadonis206 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:34 pm

dazzer wrote:curious. A few months back somebody on the forum posted a link to an article on that site to make a point. I actually emailed the abes to object but after a nice exchange of emails agreed that the post wasn't racist itself, freedom of speech and all that.

Now we get a direct link to the site!

Yep, the site is terrible but what is the point of posting it here. We're surpised that racits can organise websites and forums?
I was shocked - I mean, yes freedom of speech is necessary but Oh MY FUCKING GOD

But some of these people could be your neighbors, your co-workers your friends for god's sake

Just goes back to what we do best and the common bond we have - music instead of hate

it's funny when music is thrown into the equation people forget alot of things

their troubles, struggles, and what have you's all go out the window when your on the dance floor, playing a new cd or puffing on some chronic in your ride bumpin' some tunes

but some people obviously (according to stormfront) missed that boat


It's pretty FUCKED UP - and yes, it does scare me in America (in the north) you really don't knwo what your neighbor is really thinking

as opposed to the south (I'm from Mississippi and go frequently to Atlanta) where you know where you stand. They don't me, doesn't mean I don't like them it's just I know NOT to get their way and Vice Versa


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Post by mcconaghy » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:40 pm

Got through about two minutes of skimming the site, some of the derogatory terms used I have never heard uttered by people under 75... makes you sick.

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Post by spiderprod » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:24 pm

i am white & my wife is black , one day my daughter asked me what was her color cos she heard that there was a difference , i didn't know what to answer , sometime i feel so powerless against this kind of stupidity .
i think we need these peoples to understand how stupid some peoples are .

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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:49 pm

djadonis206 wrote:But some of these people could be your neighbors, your co-workers your friends for god's sake...

...as opposed to the south where you know where you stand. They don't me, doesn't mean I don't like them it's just I know NOT to get their way and Vice Versa
Seperate but equal lives on in the south, I guess Fox News hasn't broadcasted the news of Brown vs. the Topeka Board of Education. I've heard the same story, and it's an attitude that makes blacks more comfortable in the south. I'd hate to live like that.

The treatment of gays in the US is pretty bad. The president wanted to write homophobic legislation into the constitution, that's messed up. We have a long way to go in that battle.

On racism or homophobia I speak up by saying 'please don't talk like that around me' and leave it at that, they know why.

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Post by leisuremuffin » Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:10 pm

Aha! but "please don't talk like that" does nothing!

Some of these people *don't* talk like that. But they believe that. And then end up *acting* on that.


I'm still just shocked that this shit is so prevelant. Well, wait, lemme rephrase that, I'm not shocked, because i didn't need to see this website to know that there was still alot of it out there, maybe more confused and pissed off.


We still have a long way to go. Espescially here in America, where it's just beneath the surface and easy for those of us who aren't directly affected to ignore...




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Post by Moody » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:06 pm

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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:18 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:Aha! but "please don't talk like that" does nothing!
Truly, it has and does work. It opens up the dialogue or at the very least makes the person feel uncomfortable. Most often they'll say that it's 'just talk', then I say 'but it's wrong and you know it'. With those that still say fag this and fag that it's easy to point out that they're using the word to mean anything bad, it's completely derrogatory, childish and simple minded. Then I point out that they should get out more and maybe by chance meet someone who's gay or in a minority and realise that they're just people like everyone else. I have that moral high ground living in the inner city where I have to live alongside people of all races and sexual orientations and 99% of the time the other person doesn't.

I can definitely say that I've changed peoples' language.

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Post by radeon » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:20 pm

Mike Goodwin wrote: To be totaly honest, each time i hear people refering to visual differences between people as "races" it makes me angry.

Again this just the way I see it.

Peace
But you go to politic correctness. This is big problem. I never give race a second thought but now I do because white people in west must give all correct term so to not offend. Is it now bad to say that Man is Black. NO it is not. And it is not bad to say that man is white. It goes crazy in the west now but very bad in england with political correct word
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We human race are different color. it is stupid to say we are all one.

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Post by radeon » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:25 pm

spiderprod wrote:i am white & my wife is black , one day my daughter asked me what was her color cos she heard that there was a difference , i didn't know what to answer , sometime i feel so powerless against this kind of stupidity .
i think we need these peoples to understand how stupid some peoples are .
What coloured is your daughter? By not say anythings you could end up to confuse her. I f I were black I would be proud to be so If I were brown I would be proud. Dont hide your child color from her because of politic correct. There is a difference you should tell her.

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Post by forge » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:19 pm

spiderprod wrote:i am white & my wife is black , one day my daughter asked me what was her color cos she heard that there was a difference , i didn't know what to answer , sometime i feel so powerless against this kind of stupidity .
i think we need these peoples to understand how stupid some peoples are .
Spiderprod, when my little boy asked me about skin colour I had always been prepared to make it a purely scientific distinction so he grows up not thinking there is any difference beyond superficial

I said "because he has more stuff called melonin in his skin which acts as your body's own natural sun block, because his family used to live in really hot places for a long time and so they needed more of it to help protect them from the sun - we came from cold...." etc

he seemed satisfied with that - on the whole i think kids are much better at understanding than we give them credit - their whole brain is completely built for learning as fast and as much as possible

Anyone interested in this thread if they havent already MUST check out a woman called Jane Elliot,

http://www.janeelliott.com/ - (plus there's loads on google) she's an old school teacher who in the 60s had to leave schools because parents said they didnt want "that nigger lover" teaching their kids. She has made it her life long mission to educate people on just how much institutionalised racism exists in people who dont even have the faintest clue how ingrained it is - really amazing and eye opening to watch

she made a TV program called "Blue Eyed" and her famous experiment was to split a school classroom into 2 groups based on eye colour

I sampled the hell out of it and made about 6 tracks out of it a few years ago but it never really worked - might have another go one day but not sure if it can really work out of context like that - actually I just realised i2 mixes are up on my site at the moment - "oppressor" at the bottom http://www.alexisforge.co.uk/music.html

the main hook that made me take the video player into the studio was "to sit back and do nothing is to co-opperate with the oppressor" which I still think is an awesome quote

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Post by forge » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:25 pm

radeon wrote:
spiderprod wrote:i am white & my wife is black , one day my daughter asked me what was her color cos she heard that there was a difference , i didn't know what to answer , sometime i feel so powerless against this kind of stupidity .
i think we need these peoples to understand how stupid some peoples are .
What coloured is your daughter? By not say anythings you could end up to confuse her. I f I were black I would be proud to be so If I were brown I would be proud. Dont hide your child color from her because of politic correct. There is a difference you should tell her.
in the video I just mentioned she talked abot an incident where she was conducting the experiment of segregating people based on eye colour and one stupid girl jumped up and said "come on people we dont need to take this" and went all "right on brother " revolutionary. Ms Elliot said to the class "either she goes or I go" and then went on to say "what that woman has just effectively said is that for a person of colour to escape racism it is as simple as it would be to just stand up in a *safe* classroom and shout a bit, but the reality couldnt be further from the truth

Everyone on this planet should see Jane Elliot in action

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Post by djadonis206 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:29 pm

I saw that special about seperating the kids with the different eye colors

Honestly, I'm scared - I must have floated through like ignorantly but now, I'm scared

because I thought our generation and the kids we're having would be just that much more tolerant but...obviously my fiances white and seriously, I know I joke about leaving America but I honestly think if I want my kids to have a good bringing up we'll move to a country like Spain, or somewhere in South America, possibly Moracco or somewhere advanced in Africa and then send them back to the US to go to university. It's a real major consideration...

America is cool but it really has some major issues it needs to work out as far as human relations


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Post by forge » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:29 pm

djadonis206 wrote: But some of these people could be your neighbors, your co-workers your friends for god's sake
I wouldnt worry about that - they usually arent the brightest of sorts - kind of goes with the turf - you probably would find they arent people you would normally mix with anyway!

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Post by djadonis206 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:34 pm

forge wrote:
I wouldnt worry about that - they usually arent the brightest of sorts - kind of goes with the turf - you probably would find they arent people you would normally mix with anyway!
Good point

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Post by forge » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:07 pm

djadonis206 wrote:I saw that special about seperating the kids with the different eye colors

Honestly, I'm scared - I must have floated through like ignorantly but now, I'm scared

because I thought our generation and the kids we're having would be just that much more tolerant but...obviously my fiances white and seriously, I know I joke about leaving America but I honestly think if I want my kids to have a good bringing up we'll move to a country like Spain, or somewhere in South America, possibly Moracco or somewhere advanced in Africa and then send them back to the US to go to university. It's a real major consideration...

America is cool but it really has some major issues it needs to work out as far as human relations


peace


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you know this is where Australia is one of the great ironies of the world - arguably BECAUSE Australia had a "white australia" policy (as fucked up as that is) up until the 1950s it's actually meant that my generation has grown up with almost no racial tension at all (well some in some parts of sydney or Melbourne might see it different - but speaking for the smaller town where I'm from) and as a result of that my generation seems to have little concept of real racism - in fact the 1st time I ever heard the word "nigger" in real use was in the London Borough of Bromley and it sounded worse than the C word to me, the only time I'd ever heard it before that was in hip hop and that was a whole different thing, that + the influx of black american music, films, comedy etc etc meant that my generation growing up had only a positive outlook between black and white

of course it's a strange control group because you cant measure racial tension in an area where there is no real mix, but it has to be a good thing that all those people of my age are now adults all over the world and have no ingrained problems with anyone based on race - like i said strange, harsh irony that it was arguably the fact that there was no mix that raised us that way

and you will find that alot in Australia

an interesting contrast is that in the same place I was on a bus once when the bus driver maybe in his 50s deliberately drove past a black guy at a bus stop - but I and everyone I told was shocked, but it shows his generation still had it in them


In inner London it seems to be very integrated - almost all my cousin who grew up in Camberwell's friends are black and alot of people there seem to be totally comfortable with the racial mix, but if you move out a bit to where alot of the "old school" moved to (like the boroughs and home counties) then there is quite often an underlying seething resentment in the more working class people who feel in some way their lives are not what they could be and blame it on the huge swathe of immigrants that have moved into Britain since the war.

It's a double edged sword, and really, you'll probably find the same reason you feel freaked about that is the same thing Gay people, or even Liberals are freaked out by around these types of people

some people are just nasty

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