What's wrong with the Firewire 410

poindexter · Post by **poindexter** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:23 am

What's wrong with the Firewire 410. Because i see a lot posts from people that are not glad with their Firewire 410. I wanna know this because i want to buy a new audiointerface. And i thought de 410 maybe is a good one.

If there are any other options with the same specifications?

siddhu · Post by **siddhu** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:29 am

I've been using a 410 for almost 2 years now on a dual 1.8 G5 and have never had any problems.

Yeah I read those posts also and it makes me wonder?

You might want to check out the Saffire. Same price range but supposedly waaaay better.

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:33 am

There are not any others that have the same features/package.......here's my short list of what's wrong with it.

It had a tendency to change sample rates for no apperent reason.
It would suddenly dissapeer and have to have the drivers reinstalled CONSTANLY
Maudio would ask "do you have the latest drivers" which was an insult considering all the tech requests posted.
I shipped it back to maudio and recieved it back with the following note attached. "nothing wrong with this unit" and some scribbing that must have been a siganature.
The list of known issues here have had the dates changed more than once but the problem is the same, which means they are lying.
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=sup ... &x=44&y=16

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poindexter · Post by **poindexter** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:54 am

The Saffire is looking nice and indeed it's got almost the same specs. Now i'm thinking betweeen this one and the FW410. I just wait for some more replies with good arguments. I can only spend the money one time, so.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:59 am

plus if you're an apple user, every time you use software update, the m-audio drivers fuck up your midi set up.

they are just kinda shoddy from what i can tell. I don't care for how they sound either.

really, your audio interface is not someting you should skimp on. Best to save up for a motu traveller or 828.

.lm.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:39 am

if you read the fine print the 410 is really a "210" --two analog ins and two worthless (to most of us at least) spdif ins. There are four places to plug analog cords in, but you can only use two at a time--ultra lame. The latency is bad compared to other firewire devices, and it basically just sucked and kept futzing out on my friends old G3 mac. We sent it back and got him an Alesis mulitmis FW 8, which works great and actually has up to ten inputs for just a bit more cash. Just helped another friend set up a presonus inspire on a pc--not bad--very simple but solid and great low latency. Both the inspire and alesis models only have stereo outs, so no prelisten channel or listening to the click just in your headphones--this can be a deal breaker for some. But there are other interfaces that strike a better middle-ground--who the hell needs ten outputs when you only have two inputs??? stoopid. Also, the mic pres and converters on the 410 sounded noticable shittier than only the Alesis with the EXACT same setup and mics. my 2 cents.

Ryan

D DAS · Post by **D DAS** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:06 am

i don't have a 410 but I do have a firewire audiophile by m-audio and it is a piece o shit. when i use it with reaktor it spikes my cpu and this was only one the fustrating problems i have dealt with. I do not use it, it just sits here, I use the cheapo m-audio fast track i had tucked away and i get better results.

so as far as the 410 goes, i would guess it is the same crumpy quality as the audiophile, it's not to late, get something else. plus, as said above, m-audio support suck ass.

poindexter · Post by **poindexter** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:07 am

thanz guys for the good argumentation

t# · Post by t# » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:19 am

i also have an audiophile and have better perfomance with my build in sound card on my older laptop than when using the m-audio auiophile on my brand new pentium d - 2,5 ghz

i which i bought something else...

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:51 am

It's the only piece of hardware I've owned that has consistently given me problems that I was unable to solve even after calling tech support. I went through two of them, and eventually tech support allowed me to trade it in (plus some cash) for an 1814.

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:58 am

I'm quite happy with mine..I have a PC and when using the iLink 4pin FW it is unreliable but that's the port and happens with everything

when I have it on my PCMCIA adapter its totally fine

tomperson · Post by **tomperson** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:43 pm

I have one, and a friend has an FW Audiophile. We are both happy with our cards. Up to now, at least

. The driver's configuration dialog is really simple, and it works. Not as flexible as the EMU's line of products, but waaaay better than Edirol's UA-1000 (I'm comparing it to hardware I know).

As for the pre's, I wouldn't know how bad/good they sound. And, it's true, you can only have 2 analog ins working at the same time: mic or line in. I've played live with a guitar connected (stereo output of a stomp box) and VSTs processing it in real time. Worked just fine.

I've read good reviews about EMU's 1616 line, in this forum. I have a 1820m, works perfectly.

My 2cents.

ultrasource · Post by **ultrasource** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:20 pm

I've had one for a little over a year now. Strange random cpu spikes which cause the dreadful ableton-slow-down-static-crunch sound. Had to use old drivers with a new system in order for it to work at all. Haven't tried since Tiger but I don't really feel like wasting my time.
I went from an m-audio audiophile f/w to a 410. Both were terrible in my particualr setup (12" powerbook) I got the 410 for free which is probably why I'm not too anti-maudio. I would like a pair of their monitors.

tomperson · Post by **tomperson** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:45 pm

ultrasource wrote:I've had one for a little over a year now. Strange random cpu spikes which cause the dreadful ableton-slow-down-static-crunch sound. Had to use old drivers with a new system in order for it to work at all. Haven't tried since Tiger but I don't really feel like wasting my time.

Are you sure it's the FW410's faults? My 410 with some particularly big and intensive Live 4.0.4 sets worked just fine, and the same setw on 5.0.2 had glitches and stuff every now and then. That's Live 5 fault, not the 410.-

ultrasource · Post by **ultrasource** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:47 pm

tomperson wrote:
ultrasource wrote:I've had one for a little over a year now. Strange random cpu spikes which cause the dreadful ableton-slow-down-static-crunch sound. Had to use old drivers with a new system in order for it to work at all. Haven't tried since Tiger but I don't really feel like wasting my time.
Are you sure it's the FW410's faults? My 410 with some particularly big and intensive Live 4.0.4 sets worked just fine, and the same set on 5.0.2 had glitches and stuff every now and then with the same set. That's Live 5 fault, not the 410.-

I'm not sure of anything

I have the day off so I'll hook it up and get back to you....