Are there any good reasons that PC audio heads should consider switching to the Apple platform unless they want to continue using the latest versions of Logic? OSX does seem very nice, but I've only ever briefly used it on friends computers and haven't gotten to know it well. Apart from aesthetics, are there any other advantages to it these days for non technologically retarded people?
I'm not a PC evangelist or anything, and I'd love to hear from people who are unbiased and familiar with both platforms. I've sometimes considered moving to Mac, but is it any more than fiscal masochism and superficiality?
Oh Dear, Not Another PC vs Mac Thread
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InvizibleKid
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ok, my opinion is if you are a non computer type of person... MAC, ease of use, stability of OS, the list can go on and on... but to every argument made there will be a *PC head* having one against.
to me the absolut and non discussable point of having a mac is LOGIC audio or digital performer...
i use ableton a little, but i do pro audio work with lots of midi and mainly live recording, editing, so for me no PT unless i am in a hire studio for recording... (it's to weak in midi for me!, but great for audio only))
those apps do not exists for the PC (logic and DP), and the only serious choice for PC is sequia... but still not as good as logic and costs about 4 times as much as logic!
it's a tough decision, i can only speak from MY EXPERIENCE... and that is the audio pro enviroment, i have seen many people (all audio professionels) switch from one to another platform, all people that ever switched from pc to Mac never ever regreted their decision, all people switching from mac to PC (that was far less people i know of!!!) haven bitten their ass, and regreted it big time... main reason, stability and workflow... they are more out of the box (macs) and for people like me that are not interested in any computer issues / tweakin' it's perfect. i like to actually being able to forget the fact that i use a computer and just use my tool, the apps all day long!
but that applies to MY EXPERIENCE, i know that hundreds of pc people will say something different.
for me it's the only serious choice... mac, logic and ableton, peak... that's all i need and use to do ALL my work on a daily basis. (peak being as well a Mac only apps!)
another experience is that i have an old g4 466mhz at home for playing around... with logic exp 7 and live 5 and he is still doing damn fine... no real problems, i don't know any about 6 year old PC which is still usable except for the internet....
JUST MY PERSONEL 2CENTS... let the war beginn...
the choice will be up to you anyway.
to me the absolut and non discussable point of having a mac is LOGIC audio or digital performer...
i use ableton a little, but i do pro audio work with lots of midi and mainly live recording, editing, so for me no PT unless i am in a hire studio for recording... (it's to weak in midi for me!, but great for audio only))
those apps do not exists for the PC (logic and DP), and the only serious choice for PC is sequia... but still not as good as logic and costs about 4 times as much as logic!
it's a tough decision, i can only speak from MY EXPERIENCE... and that is the audio pro enviroment, i have seen many people (all audio professionels) switch from one to another platform, all people that ever switched from pc to Mac never ever regreted their decision, all people switching from mac to PC (that was far less people i know of!!!) haven bitten their ass, and regreted it big time... main reason, stability and workflow... they are more out of the box (macs) and for people like me that are not interested in any computer issues / tweakin' it's perfect. i like to actually being able to forget the fact that i use a computer and just use my tool, the apps all day long!
but that applies to MY EXPERIENCE, i know that hundreds of pc people will say something different.
for me it's the only serious choice... mac, logic and ableton, peak... that's all i need and use to do ALL my work on a daily basis. (peak being as well a Mac only apps!)
another experience is that i have an old g4 466mhz at home for playing around... with logic exp 7 and live 5 and he is still doing damn fine... no real problems, i don't know any about 6 year old PC which is still usable except for the internet....
JUST MY PERSONEL 2CENTS... let the war beginn...
the choice will be up to you anyway.
IMO, Mac users aren't as bright as PC users, hence the use in the pro audio world.
We can't figure out how to use more than one mouse button, let alone deconflict IRQs, or work out how to avoid or get rid of spyware/adware/malware/viruses/etc!
We're also foolish enough to spend more cash on less powerful machines produced by a greedy, monopolistic corporation, and deny ourselves access (without emulation or hacking) to the plethora of PC-only software out there. And we've been brainwashed enough to pay for the prestige of that glowing Apple logo and brilliant industrial design!
Seriously, use whatever works for you! Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Roll on, dual boot!
Note: Edited with additional sarcasm for those who didn't get it...
We can't figure out how to use more than one mouse button, let alone deconflict IRQs, or work out how to avoid or get rid of spyware/adware/malware/viruses/etc!
We're also foolish enough to spend more cash on less powerful machines produced by a greedy, monopolistic corporation, and deny ourselves access (without emulation or hacking) to the plethora of PC-only software out there. And we've been brainwashed enough to pay for the prestige of that glowing Apple logo and brilliant industrial design!
Seriously, use whatever works for you! Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Roll on, dual boot!
Note: Edited with additional sarcasm for those who didn't get it...
Last edited by hambone1 on Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:05 pm, edited 9 times in total.
hambone wrote:
THAT'S SO TRUE!
LOLIMO, Mac users aren't as bright as PC users, hence the use in the pro audio world.
They're also foolish enough to spend more cash on less powerful machines produced by a greedy, monopolistic corporation, and deny themselves access (without emulation or hacking) to the plethora of PC-only software out there.Mac users can't figure out how to use more than one mouse button, let alone deconflict IRQs, or work out how to avoid or get rid of spyware/adware/malware/viruses/etc!
Seriously, use whatever works for you! Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Roll on, dual boot!
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spiderprod
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[quote="hambone1"]IMO, Mac users aren't as bright as PC users, hence the use in the pro audio world.
Mac users can't figure out how to use more than one mouse button, let alone deconflict IRQs, or work out how to avoid or get rid of spyware/adware/malware/viruses/etc!
They're also foolish enough to spend more cash on less powerful machines produced by a greedy, monopolistic corporation, and deny themselves access (without emulation or hacking) to the plethora of PC-only software out there.
[quote]
lol , this is so true
Mac users can't figure out how to use more than one mouse button, let alone deconflict IRQs, or work out how to avoid or get rid of spyware/adware/malware/viruses/etc!
They're also foolish enough to spend more cash on less powerful machines produced by a greedy, monopolistic corporation, and deny themselves access (without emulation or hacking) to the plethora of PC-only software out there.
[quote]
lol , this is so true
There it is, another myth about mac. If you plug a usb mouse into the mac all of the second button features work just like PC Hambone. I don't know why PC people trash MAC so much. I personally like both platforms, but I like the mac more. Audio Pros that like Mac like it because they can concentrate on making music, not tweaking the PC all of the time. I have owned DP and I gotta tell you it really is great, it is the exact reason that I switched over to mac 2 years ago. I wanted a total solution for audio and midi, and I wanted it stable. I love it, and now that I have Live, it is even better. I can use it on both platforms. I have'nt used Logic, but I gotta tell you DP is the bomb for PRO work. I recently switched to Live as it is the best songwriting platform for creating quick ideas in the songwriting process. I say get the mac and when you can dual boot there will be no more arguments.
I use a mac but I am really clever
No doubt about it with PCs more power for your cash if you know what to do.
OSX is Way Nicer OS with some nice features
Can you build a PC and set up everything on its own interupts etc ?
Cause you will have problems if you cannot something to consider.
Are you not bothered about the actual OS?
Then buy a PC put quality components in it (Everything)
And Enjoy
If you want to make music and don't know how to build a PC maybe get a mac.
If they brought OSX out on PC I would maybe switch but I have used OSX I like it too much (Don't want no windows WTF is Bill doing right now?)
No doubt about it with PCs more power for your cash if you know what to do.
OSX is Way Nicer OS with some nice features
Can you build a PC and set up everything on its own interupts etc ?
Cause you will have problems if you cannot something to consider.
Are you not bothered about the actual OS?
Then buy a PC put quality components in it (Everything)
And Enjoy
If you want to make music and don't know how to build a PC maybe get a mac.
If they brought OSX out on PC I would maybe switch but I have used OSX I like it too much (Don't want no windows WTF is Bill doing right now?)
MacBook MacOS Live 9.7.1 Max for Live Push Logic
I use both, but am stupid, somehow I manage to encounter every mac that needs fixing. Although this is usually prefaced by a "phonecall from a friend" asking me round to dinner.
additionally I seem to encounter a lot of windows machines that remain working without issue, granted they are all in my house and require the odd occult ceremony to maintain their status.
bottom line -
macs look nice, are built well and work pretty damn well in most situations that aren't ableton live (cough) we'll see what the mactel can muster. There is a limited range and are easy to buy without a degree in computer-buying-ology.They break just like any other machine, they crash and hang if you do bad things to them, then you ring me up and I fix it. yet you still tell a room full of people your damn machine is invulnerable the very next week (gahh!)
pcs are built on a shoddy foundation but it manages to work OK considering, the interface is less good compared to the mac, but the performance is good and the price is cheap - also there is a wider selection of programs available at a low pricepoint due to the greater market penetration of the platform. They crash and hang like any computer, if you know what you are doing you can fix it, if it's hardware then parts are cheap and customizing is easy too. If you don't know what you are doing you won't know why it broke and you will cry like a little girl. you will ring me and I will say " I hire a guy to fix mine, he's £75 per hour", because 90% of computer users will beat a path to my door otherwise.
so now you know
additionally I seem to encounter a lot of windows machines that remain working without issue, granted they are all in my house and require the odd occult ceremony to maintain their status.
bottom line -
macs look nice, are built well and work pretty damn well in most situations that aren't ableton live (cough) we'll see what the mactel can muster. There is a limited range and are easy to buy without a degree in computer-buying-ology.They break just like any other machine, they crash and hang if you do bad things to them, then you ring me up and I fix it. yet you still tell a room full of people your damn machine is invulnerable the very next week (gahh!)
pcs are built on a shoddy foundation but it manages to work OK considering, the interface is less good compared to the mac, but the performance is good and the price is cheap - also there is a wider selection of programs available at a low pricepoint due to the greater market penetration of the platform. They crash and hang like any computer, if you know what you are doing you can fix it, if it's hardware then parts are cheap and customizing is easy too. If you don't know what you are doing you won't know why it broke and you will cry like a little girl. you will ring me and I will say " I hire a guy to fix mine, he's £75 per hour", because 90% of computer users will beat a path to my door otherwise.
so now you know
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Alex Baldwin
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Guys, the answer is so simple!!
People use Macs because
they look cooler.
If Macs were running XP we would still buy them
because of the sex appeal.
People use Macs because
they look cooler.
If Macs were running XP we would still buy them
because of the sex appeal.
Live 5, Novation Remote 25le, NI Electronic Instruments 2, Automat, Blue, Albino 3, Bass Station, Proteus X, Soundhack, Tweakbench FX,
various other freeware for PC and Mac
various other freeware for PC and Mac
Re: Oh Dear, Not Another PC vs Mac Thread
InvizibleKid wrote:Are there any good reasons that PC audio heads should consider switching to the Apple platform unless they want to continue using the latest versions of Logic? OSX does seem very nice, but I've only ever briefly used it on friends computers and haven't gotten to know it well. Apart from aesthetics, are there any other advantages to it these days for non technologically retarded people?
I'm not a PC evangelist or anything, and I'd love to hear from people who are unbiased and familiar with both platforms. I've sometimes considered moving to Mac, but is it any more than fiscal masochism and superficiality?
depends on your workflow.
but i can tell you that 99.9 percent of the pro audio world runs on apple
and it always will.
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spiderprod
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it all depends what you wear with it ,Alex Baldwin wrote:Guys, the answer is so simple!!
People use Macs because
they look cooler.
If Macs were running XP we would still buy them
because of the sex appeal.
unless you wear the city worker's blue shirt / purple tie or the scubba diving suit with rubber boots & gaz mask ,you won't look that cool .
for myself i not into crossdressing or into the rubber fetish scene so i went pc .
Hoffman kind of summed it up.
I work on Macs, and have owned about 6 different models. They were all very dependable.
I owned a custom PC (i.e. very shoddy build, but VERY fast). It was as stable as any other computer I owned because I kept it off the internet most of the time. It also helped that most of my friends work in I.T. and can fix a PC with a piece of duct tape, a banana peel and 3 toothpicks. But I digress...
The Machinery came down to the OS, which I found to be a wash for the most part. Now, if spyware or a virus got on my PC, I would have been up a shit creek without a paddle... and in all my years on a Mac, I have NEVER had a virus or had to install anti-virus protection (now I'll get one next week...
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Macs are a bit slower (and Apple's speed claims haven't lived up to truth with the Intel Chips, so that part is still unknown), and PCs have MANY more plug-ins and apps.
If you can keep it off the internets, a PC is the way to go for now.
If you tend to buy a new computer every 2 years like I do, a Mac with Applecare will give you a good computer with a good resale value.
I work on Macs, and have owned about 6 different models. They were all very dependable.
I owned a custom PC (i.e. very shoddy build, but VERY fast). It was as stable as any other computer I owned because I kept it off the internet most of the time. It also helped that most of my friends work in I.T. and can fix a PC with a piece of duct tape, a banana peel and 3 toothpicks. But I digress...
The Machinery came down to the OS, which I found to be a wash for the most part. Now, if spyware or a virus got on my PC, I would have been up a shit creek without a paddle... and in all my years on a Mac, I have NEVER had a virus or had to install anti-virus protection (now I'll get one next week...
).Macs are a bit slower (and Apple's speed claims haven't lived up to truth with the Intel Chips, so that part is still unknown), and PCs have MANY more plug-ins and apps.
If you can keep it off the internets, a PC is the way to go for now.
If you tend to buy a new computer every 2 years like I do, a Mac with Applecare will give you a good computer with a good resale value.
15" PB 2.5 Ghz, 4 Gig RAM, 750 GB HD, Live 9 still no cue points or program change messages?!?. Doesn't do shit.
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Left Eye Dominant
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After many years of using PC"s I am thinking of switching to a Mac for once and for all. WHY? I have built two PC"s for audio use only, configured the things to run as smoothly as poss, read shitloads stuff on how to configure XP, performed test after test after test to try and squeeze the last bit of performance out of the machines, the list goes on.
The reason I did things this way was to try and save money. I started to add up how many hours I has spent doing this.... hundreds and hundreds of hours, maybe thousands. Hours that I could have spent making and studying music... hours wasted perhaps.
The new Intel Macs look like they could out perform PC"s in many ways, give me a fast Mac and release me from the time I have to spend being a PC geek!
The reason I did things this way was to try and save money. I started to add up how many hours I has spent doing this.... hundreds and hundreds of hours, maybe thousands. Hours that I could have spent making and studying music... hours wasted perhaps.
The new Intel Macs look like they could out perform PC"s in many ways, give me a fast Mac and release me from the time I have to spend being a PC geek!