Does Live pass midi down to VST effects in audio tracks?

[Angstrom]

Does Live pass midi down to VST effects in audio tracks?

An Angstrolooper user mailed me about a failure of assignable midi control, I tried and failed to get the looper to accept midi on an audio track via its onboard midi learn. Momentarilly puzzled I tried other peoples plugins. They failed similarly.
Using Angstrolooper onboard midi learn works fine on a midi track.
Using Live's midi learn on Angstrolooper works fine on Audio tracks.

so, there's a solution at least.

But, am I doing something stupidly wrong here (all relevant midi pref's are on BTW), or does live not pass midi down to audio effects on an audio track?

While I'm on the subject. Audio tracks need a 'midi from', they also need to be a viable 'midi to' destination.

[sqook]

As far as I know, live does not send MIDI to audio tracks. As you noted, it prefers instead to do MIDI mapping through the manual parameter setting which is, of course, within live and not your plugin. Even with AU/VST instruments inside of a MIDI track, you need to specifically route a MIDI channel within live to the track to recieve CC commands, or else live just sends the standard note on/off MIDI messages to the plug when triggering a MIDI clip.


Also, you should post this at KVR's dev forum for a more authoritative answer.

[nicka]

dont know if you guys rae takliing about the same thing here but is it possible to send midi controls to a vst on an audio chanell so i could change filter n stuff?

[Obineg]

If you want to send midi to a vst plug you need to make a dedicated midi channel and route it to the desired channel , then the desired plug . . .

if you're unclear on how to do this look into routing in the manual.

[nicka]

If you want to send midi to a vst plug you need to make a dedicated midi channel and route it to the desired channel , then the desired plug . . .

if you're unclear on how to do this look into routing in the manual.

yeh ive managed that buton the ohm force plug-in it just shows as freyd out
; is this cos its the demo
? cos i hope not as this will put me off buying it@

[Angstrom]

If you want to send midi to a vst plug you need to make a dedicated midi channel and route it to the desired channel , then the desired plug . . .

if you're unclear on how to do this look into routing in the manual.

I'm not sure that is the case with auidio tracks, they lack any explicit midi routing ability. It is easy to route midi to a midi track, but not to the midi input of a VST effect on an audio track. that role is taken over by Live's 'midi learn' fold out sliders.

I have, of course, read the manual (first) on this, no dice.
Anyway it's all a bit academic, simply that the onboard VST midi chain is broken if an effect is in an audio track.

BTW: yes I know about midi yoke routing tricks, thats another issue though - this is just an investigation of 'can midi reach an internal midi learn'

[hoffman2k]

BTW: yes I know about midi yoke routing tricks, thats another issue though - this is just an investigation of 'can midi reach an internal midi learn'

If you cant reach a plugin in an audio track from another midi track. Then it must be a bug.
Because normally you're able to select an audiotrack with a vst plugin on it from the MIDI track output settings.

That is how i control the sequencer of an effect i use.

For sending messages.... monitor needs to be set to in.
This is also the case when i want to send a program change to a softsynth.

[Angstrom]

god damn man, you're right.
Somehow I missed that very obvious fact!
Yep, the plugin does appear as a midi out recipient as soon as there is a plugin capable of receiving midi on the audio track.

doh!
sometimes my blind spots amaze me, that one was a big one!

well, good - that answers that question. Using that method the onboard midi learn does assign controls, so all is well.
God what a miss! I've been using midi Yoke for all that sort of stuff.

well, it's to be expected really, as I've only been using live for a short while. *cough*

[hoffman2k]

god damn man, you're right.
Somehow I missed that very obvious fact!
Yep, the plugin does appear as a midi out recipient as soon as there is a plugin capable of receiving midi on the audio track.

doh!
sometimes my blind spots amaze me, that one was a big one!

well, good - that answers that question. Using that method the onboard midi learn does assign controls, so all is well.
God what a miss! I've been using midi Yoke for all that sort of stuff.

well, it's to be expected really, as I've only been using live for a short while. *cough*

Hell... i found it out on this forum too you know
It really proves that we should have an online database with this kinda stuff. A wiki or a good FAQ or something.
Compose our own online manual... No more answering n00bs.. just a RTFFAQ

[benjaesq]

now it's 2011, and I am asking the same question, Does Live pass midi down to VST effects in audio tracks?

I am having a hell of a time putting together live 8 + guitar rig 3. Preset selection would be easier with the midi control signal routed from live to GR.

[seattletruth]

Yes. You can route the midi there, or even route the midi AND the audio back so its in the same track using the external instrument device.

Watch this tutorial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBkk3vJTbs