Live 5.2b4 Is A Joke!

[jasonjbundy]

Hello-

I am having SERIOUS issues with rendering a Live Set as an uncorrupted audio file - 16bit/44.1k - in 5.0.3 & 5.2b4.

In 5.0.3 everything sounds excellent until I burn to CD. When I adjust the volume levels up and down on my car stereo (BOSE), boombox (JVC that vibrates the concrete), etc. there are serious pops/clicks in the audio.

Live 5.2b4 has the same damn problem.

My track count consists of 4 MIDI tracks with THREE instances of Atmosphere and ONE Simpler. I am running EQ Four, Delays, Compressors etc. on all tracks. No FX on the Master track.

NO other pieces of software are giving me these issues when run with this track configuration: Sonar 4PE, Acid Pro 5, FLS 6, Reason 3.0.4, etc.

Abes are you trying to drive your customer base away???

Fix ASAP!

My specs below.

[louZ]

increase your soundcards buffer size, untill the pops and cracks dissapear..

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

increase your soundcards buffer size, untill the pops and cracks dissapear..

That would help if he got pops and clicks while playing inside of Live. But he's talking about the burned discs... or maybe the rendered file. I'm not sure. Which is it Jasonbundy? Maybe you've got a dodgy cd burner?

Regards,
Mikael

[djsynchro]

If everything plays as it should then creating a new audio track, setting it's input to "resample" and recording your set that way (realtime) is the most reliable workaround if you have clicks in rendered files.

Hope that helps.

[jasonjbundy]

Adjusting the buffer does not help for rendering. It is the rendered .wav file that has the audio problems.

No dodgy CD burner here since other rendered tracks from my other software programs have no problems getting burned.

Will try the Resample workaround.

But why isn't this fixed with the 5.2 betas? Sigh.

Thanks for the suggestions/tips!

[serotoninsteve]

Try out a limiter on the master, set to something like about -0,2 dB. If you render your file exactly to 0 dB it´s possible that your players cannot handle the 0 dB file and create these problems.
If that doesn´t help just try resampling inside Live.

Greetings

[network.funky]

..In 5.0.3 everything sounds excellent until I burn to CD. When I adjust the volume levels up and down on my car stereo (BOSE), boombox (JVC that vibrates the concrete), etc. there are serious pops/clicks in the audio.

Live 5.2b4 has the same damn problem.

So in a posting that's title slates the latest beta release in its entirity you then admit that you have an ongoing problem that isn't unique to this release!?

Please try to be a little less inflamatory and a little more specific in your posts. Firstly you won't piss people off, and secondly your post is more likely to be spotted and answered by someone who's had the same problem and found the cure.

You're prob is an odd one and does sound like a bit rate problem of some sort.

Has anything else in your set-up changed recently?

Are the tracks from other DAWs that do work properly for you on the same CD's as the Live tracks?

[Supro7]

I have been working on this problem for a while (pops and clicks in rendered audio) and I think (HOPE HOPE HOPE) that I have an acceptable workaround until they make their rendering engine as efficient as Live 4.1.1's was.

Please read my little journy here:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34580
and let me know if the solution works for you also.

[jasonjbundy]

..In 5.0.3 everything sounds excellent until I burn to CD. When I adjust the volume levels up and down on my car stereo (BOSE), boombox (JVC that vibrates the concrete), etc. there are serious pops/clicks in the audio.

Live 5.2b4 has the same damn problem.

So in a posting that's title slates the latest beta release in its entirity you then admit that you have an ongoing problem that isn't unique to this release!?

Please try to be a little less inflamatory and a little more specific in your posts. Firstly you won't piss people off, and secondly your post is more likely to be spotted and answered by someone who's had the same problem and found the cure.

You're prob is an odd one and does sound like a bit rate problem of some sort.

Has anything else in your set-up changed recently?

Are the tracks from other DAWs that do work properly for you on the same CD's as the Live tracks?

What is this inflamatory nonsense?

And what are you talking about that people will not respond?

I received some excellent tips and advice from you all which I deeply appreciate. But nothing has remedied the situation - resampling, limiting buffer increases, etc.

I am going now to try to salvage this work.

Hopefully Live 5.2 will resolve your own issues.

[jasonjbundy]

I have been working on this problem for a while (pops and clicks in rendered audio) and I think (HOPE HOPE HOPE) that I have an acceptable workaround until they make their rendering engine as efficient as Live 4.1.1's was.

Please read my little journy here:
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34580
and let me know if the solution works for you also.

WOW!

That is a wicked workaround! You must have the fortitude and resolve of a Saint!

I will see if I can't get my piece to work in Live 4.

Thanks for the tip though!

[network.funky]

Hi jason,

Didn't mean to be inflamatory, just stating a point.

Are you able upload a .wav of one of the offending files somewhere? Maybe others, including myself, could look at it and see if we can replicate the problem.

[markaugust]

Try out a limiter on the master, set to something like about -0,2 dB. If you render your file exactly to 0 dB it´s possible that your players cannot handle the 0 dB file and create these problems.
If that doesn´t help just try resampling inside Live.

Greetings

yeah what he said, before I did an automatic limiter on my strating template I had all sorst of clicks on rendered files and such. now with the above way no problems at all anymore.
seems when he renders it is more fragile then when listening/producing

[jasonjbundy]

Try out a limiter on the master, set to something like about -0,2 dB. If you render your file exactly to 0 dB it´s possible that your players cannot handle the 0 dB file and create these problems.
If that doesn´t help just try resampling inside Live.

Greetings

yeah what he said, before I did an automatic limiter on my strating template I had all sorst of clicks on rendered files and such. now with the above way no problems at all anymore.
seems when he renders it is more fragile then when listening/producing

OK I will try this tip again. However, which limiter did you use?

[markaugust]

I use L1 from waves. does the job nicely

[jasonjbundy]

Auto-limiting did not work.

Thanks for all the help it is appreciated.