Self Containing Samples in Live

neuromyth · Post by **neuromyth** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:42 am

Hi,

Im using Ableton Live 5.0.1 and each time i do self contain it makes a folder next to my song file with the samples and the samples do not self contain them self into my tracks...so i always must send the sample folder to my friend in order for him to get all the samples...

whats going on ?

/. · Post by /. » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:54 am

i quess thats the way live works...
i dont like that live creates a folder for every song too. it could be much simpler, all recordings should be in one folder imo..

mikHATz · Post by **mikHATz** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:59 am

Seems pretty organized to me. You have a directory with all Live content called Library, wherein is a directory named "Sets" in which exist Live Set Files ( .als ) which reference sounds from folders named "Live Set" Sounds.

MIK

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:05 am

/. wrote:i quess thats the way live works...
i dont like that live creates a folder for every song too. it could be much simpler, all recordings should be in one folder imo..

what happens if u wish to swap songs - you would have to swap the entire soundfile libary which is totally impractical

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:25 am

jamief wrote:
what happens if u wish to swap songs - you would have to swap the entire soundfile libary which is totally impractical

no. you just zip the ALS file and the /Sounds directory together and send or burn to disk

i think people in this thread are complicating it, its very simple ....

.

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:31 am

neuromyth wrote:Hi,

Im using Ableton Live 5.0.1 and each time i do self contain it makes a folder next to my song file with the samples and the samples do not self contain them self into my tracks...

so i always must send the sample folder to my friend in order for him to get all the samples...

whats going on ?

i think you want it to build a custom file with all of the samples built in.

that way you are stuck with a format that isnt portable to other sequencers, for one.

then when you want to work on the individual samples in any way - or rewarp the samples - you would need to unpack this file to get them out again?

why is the current way inconvienient or confusing? and what would make a custom file format any more convienient than just zipping up the ALS and all the sounds together ...
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jamief · Post by **jamief** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:04 am

supster wrote:
jamief wrote:
what happens if u wish to swap songs - you would have to swap the entire soundfile libary which is totally impractical

no. you just zip the ALS file and the /Sounds directory together and send or burn to disk

i think people in this thread are complicating it, its very simple ....

.

yes i know that im just poiting out the impracticalability of having one large souind libary

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:11 am

yes i know that im just poiting out the impracticalability of having one large souind libary

impractical for who? All you have to do is look in one folder, for all your samples. Doesn't seem impratical at all to me. Maybe i'm missing something.... like, getting pissed off because your samples are spread out all over the place, and you can't find each directory it's in.. or, like someone pointed out previously, they're in a proprietary format that you can't get to easily (Reason).. i don't know.. why don't you tell us how you think they should be? and maybe we can counter with a valid argument as to why it's simpler this way..?

unusable · Post by **unusable** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:34 am

stinky wrote:getting pissed off because your samples are spread out all over the place, and you can't find each directory it's in..

do you you mean organized is bad? I love searching thru a million files to find something I recorded on date "xyz" on project "abc" [end sarcasim]

seriously, you mean to tell me that on your computer, you don't use directories and you'd prefer to have everything in one big folder??? Dosen't sound efficient to me.

talk about proprietary formats and reason c'mon....I have no need for rex files until reason came along

neuromyth · Post by **neuromyth** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:04 am

well im a an xreason user and inr eason u did self contain and it had the samples built into the song file...wich made things way less complicated

i dont like how it does it in ableton..but o well

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:27 am

i use reason as well, and while i like the song self contain option, i have had no issues with the way ableton does the self containing. just zip or rar to send the files. if you have highspeed internet, even the bigger files aren't gonna take that much time to send, or you can always just send a data cd to share a project.

the great thing about the way ableton does this, is if you happen to do a destructive edit and forget to "save as" you can always reference a previous version of the song.

just keep your stuff organized, and archive old song files when you are done, and it won't be a problem cluttering up your harddrive.

der_gary · Post by **der_gary** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:48 am

neuromyth wrote:Hi,

Im using Ableton Live 5.0.1 and each time i do self contain it makes a folder next to my song file with the samples and the samples do not self contain them self into my tracks...so i always must send the sample folder to my friend in order for him to get all the samples...

whats going on ?

... Hmmm - you're confusing (personal) inconvenience/ignorance, with something-else?

How do/did you expect Live (or anything else) to 'save samples' "into your tracks"?

That's why - the option to "save set - self contained" is there. It's "self-contained" for this very reason, as an .als, and 'folder' so that you (and it) can find the 'session/set' easily, and OPEN IT AGAIN. (or share it)

When you open the .als, don't they load into their respective 'tracks'? Assuming your "friend" is using Live also - do they not load exactly the same way for him/her when they load the .als? Are they using some other application that you both just "wish" would open your efforts, magically?

In the manner which others have expressed already - I regularly share sessions back and forth, with several Live users/collaborators - that we simply burn the .als, and the 'set folder' (with the same name - obviously) to CD/DVD - and load it - with no problems what-ever. (unless you have included instruments/effects the other person doesn't have - but THAT is a no-brainer)

Don't really get the nature of your "problem".

I could be missing something, but as an aside - someone refered to having all the accumulated samples (whatever) - in "one folder" (if I read correctly) without seperating them in some way like say (oh, I don't know - by project maybe(?))

Soooo that's for every song/exercise you do, or that one has acquired/generated over time? Some of us (like me) have many hundreds of GBs of 'samples/loops/sound LIBRARIES', and curiously enough - Live sets. Particularly, if that is what we make/produce, and USE to do so. So for "us" - that would be just a dumbass stupid, oversight on Abletons, or any other functional applications, part.

... Can anyone imagine Kontact, GURU, RMX, or any rompler/sampler having ALL the sample content included with the interface - simply put in one BIG folder, with no division/sub-divisions, or catagories/instrument definitions? That would be hours and hours of fun.

The only people I have encountered who have to "look all over" for stuff, are those who do not understand the "Look IN" and "Save IN" parts of the universally applicable - browser - of literally every application that opens and saves files.

Of course I can see the desire of some - to pre-empt the need to "save as" because of the annoyance of having to come up with a name for the damn thing, when all you want to do is close the app, and move on to the next adventure.

Must be tough > Live Content > Live Sets > (Ohmagawd!) > folder I wanted.

... Put a 'short-cut' to the Live Sets folder on your desktop. Open it, and click an .als - Live opens that 'set'.

Simple.

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