what's better? HW drum machine?or SW dum sampler/machine?

[lola]

Why shut up?
I am talking sound!!!!!!! not specs!
Fuck specs.
Yes reactor dan do a lot, but does it sound good to my ears?
Njet.


its the sound that counts at the end, its that what makes your mix.
Why does everybody sound the same mixwise?
Its cause of soft, they all sound like the music hanging in a h2o installer.

Mixwise that is.

Hmmmmm gimme some of those hardware placebo's your taking would you
.

I still stand by this statement -

Now you are smoking crack .


You SAID -

"Why is it that a real dx7 blows the socks of FM 7? " -


I replied -


Having owned a DX7IIFDe with grey matter board I'm sorry but I'd take FM7 any day of the week.
It runs shit rings around it.
If that statement had held that an SY99 sounded better than FM7 I'd probably agree but sorry that one quote was an utter and total crock.



Using your logic all VSTi's or AU's would pretty much sound the same purely based on your sound cards DA output.
Well why is it that some sound like crud and others sound exceptional?
Surely that SynthEdit creation should match that NI synth for example.
And any two virtual samplers would sound absolutely identical.
Newsflash - they don't,
Lets go one step further.
WE ALL USE hardware for that Magical DA variable output and or Analog sound.
WE THEN ALL record through the same AD/DA converters (you keep moaning about) in our DAW's and then mix/produce and pump it back out again.
Well we'd all be suffering the same problems you seem to be crapping on about.
All sound mixed out the same AD/DA converters.
So what is your point exactly.
Sure I'd take a MachineDrum and say a Nord Modular over their virtual counterparts any day of the week if I had the money,
I'd still be using the same A/D - D/A converters though so I'm back to square one using your logic.
The reality is WE cant all afford hardware.
Secondly show me ANYTHING in hardware that will do or sound remotely like
CUBE / TERA / ABSYNTH / REAKTOR or the Physical Modeling quality of AAS's TASSMAN and I'll eat my hat OK.
Sorry you won't find it out there I guarantee you.
Music suffers because of poor production technique,
It isn't all about THE SOUND.
What about the damn ideas used compositionally for starters.
Hardware does not = better music or better sounding music by a long shot.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
If it sucks it sucks.
Poor ideas are poor ideas.
Many a boring album has been released produced with hardware.
Etc etc etc etc ...

Crap, wake up, its the whole package, its the sound and the production.

But mebe u hit it on the tail.
With this line:

"The reality is WE cant all afford hardware."

Is that the reason that u are so stubbon and defend software?


then ill quote this one:

"Secondly show me ANYTHING in hardware that will do or sound remotely like
CUBE / TERA / ABSYNTH / REAKTOR or the Physical Modeling quality of AAS's TASSMAN and I'll eat my hat OK."

U want a physical modeling hardware synth?
Like the korg Moss synthese?
Or will u prefer the yamaha VL1?
Well u will wet your pants

And again mister, its not about specs, if the sound is not rite a synth is not worthed.

Goodbye

[FaX-01]

I give up - last post - BYE.

[FaX-01]

Ditto - I'll leave you to your hardware lovefest.
I'm 38 and got my first synth at 16 Lola.
Do the MATH ........

[Mike Goodwin]

Lola I have heard so much music that claims to sound better because it has been produced with hardware that just falls short. I am sooooo sick of hearing tracks that are made with 90% a 909. BORING. And the person will be all like its a real 909 it sounds amasing! And most of the time it lacks production. I guess I would be saying whatever I had to to try and make spending 1700 bucks on a 909 seem like a good idea.

Why because there has not been enough production on it. Even if it is the use of a good compressor. Lola think what ever you want. Ill keep mine you keep yours. For the record DIFFERENT SYNTHS SOUND DIFFERENT! they all have there assets. Some more than others.

[Mike Goodwin]

Its a strange fact, that people are gonna buy summin products, external hardware eq's compressors, mixers, cuz they use software but they miss something in sound.
Record 24 bit 192 khz just to get a sound, they compensate and search and search for that sound from the ealy days. With hardware u won't need all that.
Recording 16/44.1 is just enough, no much hassle.
Its magic.

so your trying to tell me that just because it is hardware you can just record it straight into a computer and it is done? No need to process it with eq or compression? LOL! What a joke. Thats rich.

Also if your where replying to my post I was not saying that I bounce my soft synths out to external hardware.

[lola]

Its a strange fact, that people are gonna buy summin products, external hardware eq's compressors, mixers, cuz they use software but they miss something in sound.
Record 24 bit 192 khz just to get a sound, they compensate and search and search for that sound from the ealy days. With hardware u won't need all that.
Recording 16/44.1 is just enough, no much hassle.
Its magic.

so your trying to tell me that just because it is hardware you can just record it straight into a computer and it is done? No need to process it with eq or compression? LOL! What a joke. Thats rich.

Also if your where replying to my post I was not saying that I bounce my soft synths out to external hardware.

Its the source, the first sound in a chain.
If u know what i mean.
That will make a difference.

If the source is good, u won't need any polishing up to do.
Thats what is am saying yes.

Why all that hassle after a chain with a softsynth?... cuz the source is thin u need to thicken it...
Thats a strange method.

[lola]

Ditto - I'll leave you to your hardware lovefest.
I'm 38 and got my first synth at 16 Lola.
Do the MATH ........

What math.

i am 37 and got my first one in 1978


That math?

[Atomikat]

But...most of the new (if not all) software drum machines run samples of the real instruments played by real musicians. Isn't that a real sound? regardless if it's hardware or software.

[Mike Goodwin]

Its a strange fact, that people are gonna buy summin products, external hardware eq's compressors, mixers, cuz they use software but they miss something in sound.
Record 24 bit 192 khz just to get a sound, they compensate and search and search for that sound from the ealy days. With hardware u won't need all that.
Recording 16/44.1 is just enough, no much hassle.
Its magic.

so your trying to tell me that just because it is hardware you can just record it straight into a computer and it is done? No need to process it with eq or compression? LOL! What a joke. Thats rich.

Also if your where replying to my post I was not saying that I bounce my soft synths out to external hardware.

Its the source, the first sound in a chain.
If u know what i mean.
That will make a difference.

If the source is good, u won't need any polishing up to do.
Thats what is am saying yes.

Why all that hassle after a chain with a softsynth?... cuz the source is thin u need to thicken it...
Thats a strange method.

Ok thats it im out. Enjoy your nice and thin underproduced hardware.

[lola]

so your trying to tell me that just because it is hardware you can just record it straight into a computer and it is done? No need to process it with eq or compression? LOL! What a joke. Thats rich.

Also if your where replying to my post I was not saying that I bounce my soft synths out to external hardware.

Its the source, the first sound in a chain.
If u know what i mean.
That will make a difference.

If the source is good, u won't need any polishing up to do.
Thats what is am saying yes.

Why all that hassle after a chain with a softsynth?... cuz the source is thin u need to thicken it...
Thats a strange method.

Ok thats it im out. Enjoy your nice and thin underproduced hardware.

Bu bye

[forge]

I find my beats have way more "character" when I use a kick from microtonic, snare from my sample library, some hats from a crazy reaktor synth sampler sequencer combo with random elements. Then rout it all through all the seperate hits through seperate 1176 compressors off my UAD DSP card and add a some killer reverb from my Powercore DSP. Then buss it all down through the filters on my Access Powercore Virus VSTI to add all the "character" that I can handle. To me this is going to have WAY more "character" than running a single hardware box into my soundcard. ....

I think you've hit the nail on the head there - if there's one important thing I've learned from mixing over the years it is the more different sources (not sounds, sources) you have the more seperation in the mix the better the mix will be - so you could in theory have everything on one PC, but so long as they are all different vstis or whatever - or at least handled differently - like run through different types of compressors/EQs etc etc then you will get a kick arse sound

same principle as having loads of fx sends - if you just use one reverb over alot of different sounds you will make the mix sound flat and 2 dimensional, but give them one each and you're away!

IMO variety is more important than hardware vs soft or whatever

and anyone who says "hardware wins hands down" cant ave delved that deeply into the software world and must be judging on presets - if you have a decent interface you can do literally anything with software, Reaktor is an amazing beast and I doubt any one piece of hardware could stand up to it

[Pitch Black]

IMO variety is more important than hardware vs soft or whatever

Agreed! Well said!!!

a little mental game i like to play is: what axies of difference can I find today?

hard/soft lo/hi dry/wet human/not

y'know...?

[Mike Goodwin]

I find my beats have way more "character" when I use a kick from microtonic, snare from my sample library, some hats from a crazy reaktor synth sampler sequencer combo with random elements. Then rout it all through all the seperate hits through seperate 1176 compressors off my UAD DSP card and add a some killer reverb from my Powercore DSP. Then buss it all down through the filters on my Access Powercore Virus VSTI to add all the "character" that I can handle. To me this is going to have WAY more "character" than running a single hardware box into my soundcard. ....

I think you've hit the nail on the head there - if there's one important thing I've learned from mixing over the years it is the more different sources (not sounds, sources) you have the more seperation in the mix the better the mix will be - so you could in theory have everything on one PC, but so long as they are all different vstis or whatever - or at least handled differently - like run through different types of compressors/EQs etc etc then you will get a kick arse sound

same principle as having loads of fx sends - if you just use one reverb over alot of different sounds you will make the mix sound flat and 2 dimensional, but give them one each and you're away!

IMO variety is more important than hardware vs soft or whatever

and anyone who says "hardware wins hands down" cant ave delved that deeply into the software world and must be judging on presets - if you have a decent interface you can do literally anything with software, Reaktor is an amazing beast and I doubt any one piece of hardware could stand up to it

thanks for acknowledging my point forge.

[lola]

Why fuck a plastic doll while u can fuck a real wife?

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

Why fuck a plastic doll while u can fuck a real wife?

The question that comes to mind now is:

Are you using the Ableton Live software sequencer/DAW or are you on some precious hardware to record your swinging beats? In case of the latter - what are you even doing here?

Regards,
Mikael