who does 100% original material only ? .. please vote

[spiderprod]

your question is a bit like "are you a composer ,a producer or both ?"

[HD1]

but what if i sampled coupla one shots, made a beat with em, does it make the music i make not original ?

yep.

[netchaiev]

Well, I said 100% 'cause music is "organized sounds/noise" so whatever is good, samples, recordings, field recordings, etc...fine
Like someone here said, everything is a sample or call it a quote!

[netchaiev]

but what if i sampled coupla one shots, made a beat with em, does it make the music i make not original ?

yep.

NO. It's original... go to Peeeedro's piano analogy.

[SubFunk]

peeddrroo wrote:
hambone1 wrote:
Otherwise, we'll soon be hearing samples of samples of samples...


as i said, i don't see a problem here.
most of the music we hear now IS samples of samples of samples.
what's the difference between a snare taken from a Earth Wind & Fire record or the same snare carefully programmed with operator?
it's not easier to make it sound good, it won't make your music instantly sound better.
what's really important is that whatever sound you use, the end result must be original.
it's really as if a piano player had to know how to build a piano before being allowed to play his own chords on it. it's not the sounds that matter, it's what you do of it.

i agree, the question is...

1, do we speak sampled single sounds / notes you compose / play / programm yourself into creating a song / picture?

2, or are you taking entire phrases / (long) loops of whatever, melodies / basslines / chord progressions / etc.? and jsut stick them together?

the first one is rather difficult up to impossible to avoid as many synths / maschines and instruments working already on that 'sample' basis....

as i said i think sampling is totally OK and gives great creative possibilities, what i dismiss is a cut 'n' paste construction out of phrases / (long) loops only...
and i know a few famous names who earnt respect for doing that, not much from me thou....

that's just how i feel about MAKING music.

[HD1]

Well, I said 100% 'cause music is "organized sounds/noise" so whatever is good, samples, recordings, field recordings, etc...fine
Like someone here said, everything is a sample or call it a quote!

sure, but if you or your partner record the sample its yours. an thus it is original.

singing original lyrics over prefab loops is not original music, either.


also, if it makes no sonical difference if you sample an earth wind and fire hit, as opposed to making your own....then make your own if you want to be original.

as with most things in life, its about the journey , not the place.

[SubFunk]

ropey punter wrote:

as with most things in life, its about the journey , not the place.

yupp, thumbs up!!!

[hambone1]

what's the difference between a snare taken from a Earth Wind & Fire record or the same snare carefully programmed with operator?

IMO, one takes skill, talent, originality and effort, and the other is a lazy regurgitation of someone else's skill, talent, originality and effort.

Samples built into synths/drum machines/etc, or on sample one-shot CDs, are great for those who can't/won't sound design or play and record the sounds themselves.

I'm glad that many still have the creative originality to write their own songs with them.

[djadonis206]

Otherwise, we'll soon be hearing samples of samples of samples...

as i said, i don't see a problem here.
most of the music we hear now IS samples of samples of samples.
what's the difference between a snare taken from a Earth Wind & Fire record or the same snare carefully programmed with operator?
it's not easier to make it sound good, it won't make your music instantly sound better.
what's really important is that whatever sound you use, the end result must be original.
it's really as if a piano player had to know how to build a piano before being allowed to play his own chords on it. it's not the sounds that matter, it's what you do of it.

Couldn't have said it better myself

I could care less what people think of my approach to much as long as I'm comfortable at the end of the day with what I did...

besides, loops are loops are loops are loops

why reinvent the wheel - in the end a kick is a kick whether you made it or you jacked it

I'm more satisfied with a hot jam then a home made whack jam

Aside from the sequencing, chords, bassline, engineering, efx, leads and mixdown I'm pushing a hard 1% original...

[SubFunk]

hambone wrote:

IMO, one takes skill, talent, originality and effort, and the other is a lazy regurgitation of someone else's skill, talent, originality and effort.

i agree, but i also see the sad reality that hardly anyone cares anymore... just go into a CD shop, Club or see MTV and you see / hear the results.

i don't say that there is not great music outhere... but it gets truly rare, because of the ease of accsess to music making without talent, cut 'n' paste...

[peeddrroo]

what's the difference between a snare taken from a Earth Wind & Fire record or the same snare carefully programmed with operator?

IMO, one takes skill, talent, originality and effort, and the other is a lazy regurgitation of someone else's skill, talent, originality and effort.

Samples built into synths/drum machines/etc, or on sample one-shot CDs, are great for those who can't/won't sound design or play and record the sounds themselves.

I'm glad that many still have the creative originality to write their own songs with them.

excuse me, but i don't call it "lazy regurgitation" when you spend hours finding and editing THE GOOD hit/kick/snare/whatever sound that will fit in your ORIGINAL composition. the one sound that nobody will ever notice is being sampled. i don't even think there's a point arguing if it is original material or not ; i mean i'm much more upset about someone using some synth presets without touching them.
if mozart used a chord from beethoven because he liked it and it fitted the score he was working on, would you come and say "hey amadeus, that's a lazy regurgitation"?

do you know these paintings by Picasso where there are some parts of torn newspaper? that's identical to me. using old stuff to make new one. that's beautiful. it makes you look at things differently.

[djadonis206]

Oh yeah - for some reason I'm thinking none of this matters

it comes down to what you hear - if it sounds good, awesome

or you could be a NAZI about it and sit there with your arms crossed and be like...

"that's a sample, that's a sample. Gross this is all samples I'm not going to listen to it. But my friend PROGLOVER349 makes 110% real shit, it's not getting any play and no one except me likes it but it's 110% real! he even engineered his computer. built it from some twigs and grass. He made this awesome hi hat out of a outlook attachment. If you listen closely you can tell it took him 4 years to perfect that kick which started out as a word document. He used an excel spreadsheet to make that clap - this guys a genius!!!"

[djadonis206]

he even engineered his computer. built it from some twigs and grass. He made this awesome hi hat out of a outlook attachment. If you listen closely you can tell it took him 4 years to perfect that kick which started out as a word document. He used an excel spreadsheet to make that clap - this guys a genius!!!"

Oh shit - that's glitch I'm talking about

[mike holiday]

and it all comes down to should impulse be set up to recognize general midi?

lol

whole new can o worms gets opend up

i like to use as little samples as possable..but sometimes will use only samples.

but on the sample tip where does someone like akufen fit? is that sampling or editing field recordings?

[minimal]

and it all comes down to should impulse be set up to recognize general midi?

lol

whole new can o worms gets opend up

i like to use as little samples as possable..but sometimes will use only samples.

but on the sample tip where does someone like akufen fit? is that sampling or editing field recordings?

I'd say field and radio recording editing, and what an editing!

the way he uses samples is more creative than lot of "original" stuff like my crappy tracks