again what about synth presets..are you being original if you use them!!!
arrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh...
feck!!
who does 100% original material only ? .. please vote
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But I'd like to point out that I think even if you happen to use a loop from another track and as long as you make that loop totally your own (tweak it out etc) then that constitutes 100% originality.
Some of my tracks of samples from movies or propaganda films.
But I'd like to point out that I think even if you happen to use a loop from another track and as long as you make that loop totally your own (tweak it out etc) then that constitutes 100% originality.
Some of my tracks of samples from movies or propaganda films.
I dont believe in mincing words, original should mean original. complete should mean complete. 100% should mean 100%. also, if you use a loop from an already existing track, tweaks or no tweaks, the right thing to do is give a mention to that track so that the artist or producer gets the recognition they deserve, which is worth more than gold in my opinion. Not only that, someone else might want to play with the same loop you lifted. Only good can come from disclosing all the ingredients.
its taking credit you dont wholey deserve, and not giving a little credit to those that do
so what if your track isnt 100% original, dont try and change the meaning of words to suit yourself.
likening this to nazism...is stupid.
at the end of the day, hot track or not, you'll be better off recreating the things you like - because in doing such a thing you are learning, whereas just lifting the loop robs you of the knowledge or effort it took to create it.
anyways, I'm not saying all tracks that arent -truely- 100% original are rubbish, far from it, I'm just not kool with willfully blurring the divide for one's own gain.you'll gain more by being upfront rather then lifting stuff and keeping it under wraps.
you may go back to changing the meaning of words now
its taking credit you dont wholey deserve, and not giving a little credit to those that do
so what if your track isnt 100% original, dont try and change the meaning of words to suit yourself.
likening this to nazism...is stupid.
at the end of the day, hot track or not, you'll be better off recreating the things you like - because in doing such a thing you are learning, whereas just lifting the loop robs you of the knowledge or effort it took to create it.
anyways, I'm not saying all tracks that arent -truely- 100% original are rubbish, far from it, I'm just not kool with willfully blurring the divide for one's own gain.you'll gain more by being upfront rather then lifting stuff and keeping it under wraps.
you may go back to changing the meaning of words now
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my vocalist friend and i used too work exclusively on original stuff. but it would take us about a year to finish anything (but we have fun in the process). so we decided to learn some other peoples songs with the idea of putting together a set and playing some gigs as a duo. still working on it, but it is fascinating to study the way a good song is put together. there is a lot to be learned by studying other peoples stuff.
the real chalenge is to take someone elses song and transform into something you can call your own, rather than blindly following the original style and arrangement .
the real chalenge is to take someone elses song and transform into something you can call your own, rather than blindly following the original style and arrangement .
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you're a porcupine!RopeyPunter wrote:thats just plain wrong. using pre-recorded material is boring and safe.noisetonepause wrote:Originality is boring and safe.
meh...you must have been kidding, besides boring and safe are too subjective to come to any conclusion regarding this topic
anyways. I disagree. The timbres I want can only be found in samples of instruments I don't know how to play... so that's that.
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heh, you fuckers and your subversion....no if you use a synth you didnt build to make a tune, the tune is original. This is because the synth is an instrument. and chances are you PAID for it, or someone did - or you came to own it legally for free, so if you insist on using this analogy, that would be similar to paying someone royalties for ripping samples from their music (or getting permission). But its not a kosher analogy. and buying the album that you rip a loop from is, as you well know, not the same as paying for an instrument. This is simple kids, you all know how to fuckin speak english.....go check out the definitions for ORIGINAL and 100%
like I said, nothing wrong with music that isnt completely original, just check out the massive genre that is hip-hop...and theres alot of good hip-hop out there, black eyed peas wholey excluded <spit>, the only point I'm arguing here is the difference between something that is completely original, and something that is not. Not which is better, just which is which.
I really dont see the point in pretending something is 100% original when you know full well you lifted a loop from some other source than your own imagination. I'm only refering to the people who have made statements like, they eq'd a loop and made it theirs, or sang their own lyrics over prefab loops (laugh out loud) and for example aaaaalot of hiphop .....you people arent making 100% original music, even if it is a hot track. Is that a big deal ? Nope. everyone and their neighbour is doing it. Making parralells between instruments and loops seems desperate to me. and if you make it big there's going to be alot less room for flexible semantics, and 100% original better mean exactly that, lest you desire lawsuits and such. P diddy pays royalties, as do the rest of the sampling hip-hop community....why ? well because their tunes arent 100% original, they dont do it out of the kindness of their heart.
i hesitate to draw this analogy, but if i take a picture of the mona lisa, chop it up into stamp sized pieces, and re-arrange it in an interesting way...is it 100% original? no, its fucking not and you know this.
like I said, nothing wrong with music that isnt completely original, just check out the massive genre that is hip-hop...and theres alot of good hip-hop out there, black eyed peas wholey excluded <spit>, the only point I'm arguing here is the difference between something that is completely original, and something that is not. Not which is better, just which is which.
I really dont see the point in pretending something is 100% original when you know full well you lifted a loop from some other source than your own imagination. I'm only refering to the people who have made statements like, they eq'd a loop and made it theirs, or sang their own lyrics over prefab loops (laugh out loud) and for example aaaaalot of hiphop .....you people arent making 100% original music, even if it is a hot track. Is that a big deal ? Nope. everyone and their neighbour is doing it. Making parralells between instruments and loops seems desperate to me. and if you make it big there's going to be alot less room for flexible semantics, and 100% original better mean exactly that, lest you desire lawsuits and such. P diddy pays royalties, as do the rest of the sampling hip-hop community....why ? well because their tunes arent 100% original, they dont do it out of the kindness of their heart.
i hesitate to draw this analogy, but if i take a picture of the mona lisa, chop it up into stamp sized pieces, and re-arrange it in an interesting way...is it 100% original? no, its fucking not and you know this.
I voted "no original material."
Mind you, the last several sets I have done involve impulse kits of my own yamaha (which is about as pureist as I can get!)
The reason I voted the way I did is because I do not feel it takes a great deal of imagination to understand that all creativity is directly a result of material before it. There is plenty of unimaginative original material out there.
I have this one professor for "perspective drawing" this semester. He is a considerable asshole about accuracy, methodology, everything. I mean it. He's an asshole. But he produces great results. His motto is "if it looks right it is."
I think I can relate that to this. Some of us might say:
Music is when you take some thing and then you do something with it, and then hot young men think it's really hot! (introducing the concept of variable sbjectivity)
Others might say it is a a colony of organisms whose parameters are confined to manners with which each and everyone of us responds to each other and nature.
I think I like the second idea much more. As much as I would like it if the boi's like my beats, I am certainly much more intersted in how it contrasts and/or resonates with my environment (or last what my gf likes! though I doubt she wants me doing any will oldham mashups
)
Sometimes taking something and changing it is effective, and other times it is just more of the same contemporary environment. Right now we live in a world of samples. Anything we have that is poignant, and conducsive to challenging our environment should be locked with a key or shared, depending on the size of your wallets or your philosophy. Right now I am big on Locke.
Mind you, the last several sets I have done involve impulse kits of my own yamaha (which is about as pureist as I can get!)
The reason I voted the way I did is because I do not feel it takes a great deal of imagination to understand that all creativity is directly a result of material before it. There is plenty of unimaginative original material out there.
I have this one professor for "perspective drawing" this semester. He is a considerable asshole about accuracy, methodology, everything. I mean it. He's an asshole. But he produces great results. His motto is "if it looks right it is."
I think I can relate that to this. Some of us might say:
Music is when you take some thing and then you do something with it, and then hot young men think it's really hot! (introducing the concept of variable sbjectivity)
Others might say it is a a colony of organisms whose parameters are confined to manners with which each and everyone of us responds to each other and nature.
I think I like the second idea much more. As much as I would like it if the boi's like my beats, I am certainly much more intersted in how it contrasts and/or resonates with my environment (or last what my gf likes! though I doubt she wants me doing any will oldham mashups
)Sometimes taking something and changing it is effective, and other times it is just more of the same contemporary environment. Right now we live in a world of samples. Anything we have that is poignant, and conducsive to challenging our environment should be locked with a key or shared, depending on the size of your wallets or your philosophy. Right now I am big on Locke.
No they don't. Based on what I just said, is concievable that my ideas are actually just out put of an algorithm that was chemically derived directly from the writings of giants like Philip K. Dick and James Joyce. It was hard to pin point this when I lived in new york, because I was too busy being influenced by all of the information, but now that I am no longer there I am processing who I am.
Underneath infinite layers propaganda, advertising, and pigeons caught in the sun at opportune angles in my memory, my creative muse is an algorithm being run on an infinately powerful, (yet with a fragile,
, self-correcting OS) system of distributed processors. The images, sounds, moments I share babbling endlessly in this forum, and eating pizza with my girlfriend are all sampled source material, that I play through my muse. In my organic system MAX/MSP is like the right to one stand up comedians formula/personality. Ableton LIve is
like dependable parents or older siblings looking over me as I try to cut a piece of cake. Computer proramming skills will eventually be new thumbs.
I definately believe that we are all experienceing this together, this organic yet binary dance. All this fucking politcal bullshit/necessity, is crucial noise to get our drums synthesized as well as to mimic our natural given voice in the abstract.
Wow."Samchillian tip tip tip chip peeeee" ideas are coursing through my veins...
Edit- none of it original. Just who we are. The greedy politicians haven't been given the opportunity to develop the enzyme-creating glands necessary to digest the information that we live for. That is eough for me.
Underneath infinite layers propaganda, advertising, and pigeons caught in the sun at opportune angles in my memory, my creative muse is an algorithm being run on an infinately powerful, (yet with a fragile,
, self-correcting OS) system of distributed processors. The images, sounds, moments I share babbling endlessly in this forum, and eating pizza with my girlfriend are all sampled source material, that I play through my muse. In my organic system MAX/MSP is like the right to one stand up comedians formula/personality. Ableton LIve is like dependable parents or older siblings looking over me as I try to cut a piece of cake. Computer proramming skills will eventually be new thumbs.
I definately believe that we are all experienceing this together, this organic yet binary dance. All this fucking politcal bullshit/necessity, is crucial noise to get our drums synthesized as well as to mimic our natural given voice in the abstract.
Wow."Samchillian tip tip tip chip peeeee" ideas are coursing through my veins...
Edit- none of it original. Just who we are. The greedy politicians haven't been given the opportunity to develop the enzyme-creating glands necessary to digest the information that we live for. That is eough for me.
hehe, nice speech , I imagined P diddy spoke it in a courtroom as his defense - being sued by sting for lifting the melody from 'every breath you take' for that "ode to biggy" turd he shat out after biggy gobbled those caps, like rat-a-tat-tatLOFA wrote:No they don't. Based on what I just said, is concievable that my ideas are actually just out put of an algorithm that was chemically derived directly from the writings of giants like Philip K. Dick and James Joyce. It was hard to pin point this when I lived in new york, because I was too busy being influenced by all of the information, but now that I am no longer there I am processing who I am.
Underneath infinite layers propaganda, advertising, and pigeons caught in the sun at opportune angles in my memory, my creative muse is an algorithm being run on an infinately powerful, (yet with a fragile,
like dependable parents or older siblings looking over me as I try to cut a piece of cake. Computer proramming skills will eventually be new thumbs.
I definately believe that we are all experienceing this together, this organic yet binary dance. All this fucking politcal bullshit/necessity, is crucial noise to get our drums synthesized as well as to mimic our natural given voice in the abstract.
Wow."Samchillian tip tip tip chip peeeee" ideas are coursing through my veins...
Edit- none of it original. Just who we are. The greedy politicians haven't been given the opportunity to develop the enzyme-creating glands necessary to digest the information that we live for. That is eough for me.