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HD1 · Post by **HD1** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:26 pm

ya I hear the midi on logic is the bomb diggy....creating super appregiators and such, you make a pretty convincing case subfunk, thanks for the reply

SubFunk · Post by **SubFunk** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:33 pm

you are welcome, yeah i have to admit that i really love Logic i grow up with it and know it inside out.

but i have used pretty much any other avilable apps, as i do a lot of freelancing and then i have to use whatever is around. (but i try whenever possible to avoid anything but logic)

HD1 · Post by **HD1** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:40 pm

the node thing is -very- impressive....I got a ibookg4 for location recording, if i was running logic on the ibook basically I could mix and render on the imac ?
heard of wormhole2 ? tried the demo, to use my pc vsts to process sounds from live on my mac....was impressed. latency exists but didnt bother me since i was only processing stuff to be sent back to the imac

whats the deal with multiple authorisations with logic ? and have you used this node function or know much about it ? whats the deal with syncing ?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:31 pm

I use Logic, and Live.

Logic VS SX3:

Logic is about 20% more CPU efficient, was when it was a PC app too. SX3 runs exactly the same on a PC as on a mac, a friend tested his dual 1.8 G5 against his 3.6 P4, the G5 beat the P4.

Logic nodes seem to work well, but you can only use Built in Logic plug ins on that channel strip or it doesn't work. SX3 has a system Link that uses the CPU from other computers to power any plug in, third party or not, mixed reviews on it's stability....

SX3 has better audio editing functions, including built in beat slicers etc.

Logic has better key commands and generalizing here, better workflow. The Mixer setup in Logic, while not as good as Digital Performer, is better than SX3. You have more control over customizing what channel strips you see on your screen.

In Logic the synths, sampler, and FX are good enough to where you can work entirely in Logic. Oddly enough, to me, this is sort of it's downfall too, though buying it all third party would be expensive, you end up not buying things because Logic has a "decent" version built in... so consequentially Live has to rely on it's built in plugs etc.. Also, though some of the FX and instruments are absolutely steller, (Sculpture, ES1, ES2, EVD6, the EQ's ), you end up settling for "decent" in a lot of cases....

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:39 pm

Oh, I'll always use more than one DAW. Live is designed with ease of use in mind, consequentially complex arrangements with heavy editing, and automation, are a PITA in Live compared to a 'complex" app like Logic.
The fact is Live is better suited for arrangements with 4 to 16 at the most parts, and a full featured app like Logic starts really trouncing it when you get into things like detailed breaks and bridges etc. It's quite possible that Live 6 introduces some helpful arrangement tools like folders, and key commands for zooming that don't involve the mouse etc. but I'm pretty convinced that Live will remain simple, and for some things that's great, for trying to write a classical type piece, or similar in complexity, not so great.

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:10 pm

i know pro tools inside and out. I used to work in ablton and arrange in PT

now i can't remember the last time i opend PT

HD1 · Post by **HD1** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:12 pm

wow....were you using le ?

what about mastering, If i had pt at my disposal, id light pipe live into protools

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:48 pm

RopeyPunter wrote:I like using live as a sketchpad....I'd like to use one of the more veteran daw's for mastering (coupled with a tc powercore , uad , and those sony oxfords) ...just for better cpu usage and more stability when using a dose of plugs ....

waiting for the whitefield chips intel should bring out by the end of the year, will take me that long to save the cash anyways

I did a search for whitefield on google and all I could find was that it is a 4-core version of the yonah (which is halteringly bad-ass!) I then did a earch on the ableton forum and I saw that it was mentioned in only two threads- this one and in the thread where you complimented my music.

My question is:

Have you found anything else out about the whitefield in your browsing other than what I mentioned? Thanks!

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:58 pm

coming from the world of bands and recording live in studios, i find all the concern about the capabilities and sound of the various DAWs somewhat funny. any musician who's been around can tell of times they recorded something on a cheap 8 track with some PZMs and got better sounds than the crazy expensive studio with the neve deck, all the right mics, the tube compressors, etc. and anyone who's listened to music knows that many of your favorite records with made with barbaric tech, and even tech that was barbaric for the times. coming from where i come from, my laptop (with live and reaktor) does more than i can imagine, let alone need. not to knock those for whom (e.g.) logic serves their purposes in terms of sound, capabilities, etc. but it's all gonna be personnel preference (i used logic, couldn't stand it, regardless of capabilities). some people love to fiddle with all sorts of FX, others just want to plug the right guitar into the right amp and go. similarly, some folk make incredbile records with gameboys, an incredibly underpowered mac laptop from back in the day or whatever, others have the sick work station with a cinema display, etc. i guess my point is that all the concerns about power and sound is somewhat silly, unless that's the power and sound you know you like and/or need (because clients expect certain things, it has to mesh with other similar quality pieces, etc.).

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:17 pm

Well said.

HD1 · Post by **HD1** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:21 pm

LOFA wrote:Have you found anything else out about the whitefield in your browsing other than what I mentioned? Thanks!

I'll do a little more trailing later, the way I found the article I read was by googling merom...

The original article I read, seemed to imply merom would be kind of a next-gen consumer level chip with the whitfield being the workstation effort. While it didnt specify dates, I didnt get the vibe that whitfield would take much longer than 3months+ to follow up. Just a hunch tho, of course I'll keep you posted on anything i find out

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:39 pm

Thank you, I really appreciate it!

daviec · Post by **daviec** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:42 pm

As far as I know Memron is a 64 bit core duo.

4ace · Post by **4ace** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:52 pm

I've been thinking of getting into another "true" host for recording,mixing,mastering.

DP seems to be the next choice for me.

I have PT's vers. 6.4 which i haven't opened in ages.The "update" they're offering is retarded when comparing to DP.

Not to hijack this thread but....any DP users in here care to comment on ease of use and the learning curve?

Bottom line,Live is great at what it does but i'm happy it's not an all in one solution.I hope it never tries to be because then the ease and fun of use would suffer the most.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:21 pm

4ace wrote: Not to hijack this thread but....any DP users in here care to comment on ease of use and the learning curve?

Bottom line,Live is great at what it does but i'm happy it's not an all in one solution.I hope it never tries to be because then the ease and fun of use would suffer the most.

DP is relatively easy to use IMO, but it's harder if you're coming from Logic than if you're coming from SX. DP is probably my favorite all around sequencer, and I'm going to be using it soon as well. I basically had a tech support guy from MOTU piss me off so bad I switched to Logic, and OSX was a true mess for MOTU and DP, so I stayed with Logic.
Dongles suck shit, to put it lightly, and it's pretty sad that the whole industry seems to be going that way. MOTU have a few dongles using devices, and that's a sad thing IMO. You use Live and DP, no dongle.