UC33 with live 5 EQing

Riven · Post by **Riven** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:12 pm

Hi Guys

Am using a UC33 with live 5 and use am using the channel knobs to control bass middle and treble of eq 3

does anyone know how make it so 12 o' clock on the uc33 is 0.00db on ableton eq's

I'm sure this is how a mixer is normally

cheers

r0an · Post by **r0an** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:03 pm

The age old question, tried to find this out myself...

seems its not possible

sorry cant help anymore

Riven · Post by **Riven** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:32 pm

bit shite aint it

why do they have them set out like that in live?

cheers any way

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:53 pm

Search the forum for EQ4, there is a great way to set this up exactly as you want it. Credit goes to AdamJay for it, but it is what I use.

I'm not at my computer, but from what I recall:

1) Disable either node 2 or 3 in EQ4.

2) Then find the frequency for node 1 and 4 that suits your liking for low and high. (can't remember exactly what I used.) Similarly for middle.

3) Then map a midi control knob to the gain of node 1, middle, and 4, while the eq is in the zero position.

This will allow you to subdue, or boost, frequencies while having the midi knob at 12 o'clock.

Also, EQ4 is more transparent, and uses slightly fewer resources.

Don't trust me though, search for EQ4.

r0an · Post by **r0an** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:56 pm

Yea I saw that, but EQ4 aint the route I wanna take. EQ3 would be better for me

ryansupak · Post by **ryansupak** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:59 pm

I ended up writing a PD program to do not exactly this, but something very similar.

It's a bit involved but post here if you wouldn't mind doing a bit of programming...

rs

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:03 pm

i'll give you a hint...

play with the minimum and maximum values in Midi Assign mode.

vinkalmann · Post by **vinkalmann** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:37 pm

AdamJay wrote:i'll give you a hint...

play with the minimum and maximum values in Midi Assign mode.

This is the way to go if you must use EQ3. Try EQ4 though, the sound is more transparent and it uses less CPU resources from what I've heard.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:27 pm

vinkalmann wrote:Try EQ4 though, the sound is more transparent and it uses less CPU resources from what I've heard.

yea, i seem to remember someone on this forum saying that a few times before...
good advice.
sets up easily on the UC33 as well.

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:05 pm

Hey Adam, I gave you cred in my initial response. I was using eq3 for awhile, but can't really go back now. EQ4 is too flexible. If you set it up to do frequency instead you can get some really cool band-pass stuff going on too.

ryansupak · Post by **ryansupak** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:21 am

If you alter the center point by changing the min and max points in Ableton, you alter the min and max response of the knobs themselves, though. To retain the full knob range the response curve itself must be altered.

FWIW, I think the EQ3 has its own character also, here's an old post from one of the Ableton designers saying kind of the same -- not that the EQ4 is bad, just different:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 1&start=45

rs

Clearscreen · Post by **Clearscreen** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:47 am

you could try the eq i linked to in this post....

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35999

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:22 am

anti-banausic wrote:Hey Adam, I gave you cred in my initial response. I was using eq3 for awhile, but can't really go back now. EQ4 is too flexible. If you set it up to do frequency instead you can get some really cool band-pass stuff going on too.

ah, i didnt notice.
but really i dont deserve any credit, Ableton made a very versatile effect with EQ Four. I just wish more people would realize that it can adapt to nearly any equalization/filtering needs they may have.

rhythmtech · Post by **rhythmtech** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:30 am

yup eq4 is the way to go.. but if you wanna use the eq3's kill switches just open up both. have the eq3 totally flat and assign some buttons to the kills. then assign knobs to eq4. this gives the power of the eq4 with the dj style convieniance of the eq3.

r0an · Post by **r0an** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:47 pm

thx for your help guys. played out with eq4 last night & all went well, just a bit more tweeking & I think ill be happy with it