Alright, I'm with you. Bring on the MIDI sequencing...

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:26 am

I'm not interested in MIDI with regard editing in this application whatsoever. End of story. Hooking controllers in and triggering VSTi's to be used as sound sources, sure. That covers all I need.

If you need something else, fine. No need to try pschoanalyse what I KNOW I need here for my uses. You would like what you would like and I the same for my requirements.

Savvy?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:15 am

yes, you are right. However, you are proposing that something be not incorportated into Live--a prohibition of sorts, based on your own personal beliefs. I have no need for any more prohibition in my life based on the misconstruded beliefs of others (puff, puff)

. Your desires include prohibiting the desires of me and others. My desires would simply offer another feature in Live, which you obviously wouldn' need to use, but the program would still work just fine whether you use it or not. Can you at least understand that??? It seems pretty basic. And I have yet to hear any logic or reasoning to back up your extreme prejudice against midi recording (which is sillyness, MIDI is okay to control Live and even to play vstis in Live, but when it becomes recorded MIDI it is all of a sudden bad, horrible crap--wtf???). And again, it would be very simple for Live to incorporate both audio recording of vstis (already possible with bidule and FLRWbeta) AND recording of MIDI, it could be an option up to the user to decide---OPTION--thats fair--PROHIBITION--thats a bunch of bs.

Savvy?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:22 am

*yawn*

KnTo · Post by **KnTo** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 3:43 am

i been playing guitar for several years, then i recently decided to record myself , doing it my own. (sorry my english i not as well as i think)
i seeked for a goos software recorder, began my nightmare with cubasis.
................

then i fallled on Live and live , with the loop jam plaing amazed me so much that i turned experimental .......well..
i don't really no midi sequences but i tried some, hard to to for for a newbie.

so in that way i imagine that ableton bring me a a so creative tool that i don't want to make a "cubase-like" music.
indeed using VSTi and record them in live would be usefull,
indeed editing sequences would be also very usefull for proffessionals as i'm not but : is that the way Live is

then i also think sometimes it would be usefull to prepare sequences of my machines, but i'm a player not an midi-ingeneer.

if live would be abble to treat some midi-loops with simple but powerfull edits , that would be very different. perhaps, but that may be hard to implement. and then live would get very complex on the arrangement wiew,
something else , how would live be ableton to play/trigger midi devices\VSTi , if you already use your note-on messages for audio loops

this may already be a nightmare for ableton programmers.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:11 am

how would live be ableton to play/trigger midi devices\VSTi , if you already use your note-on messages for audio loops

By using different MIDI channels. The basis for using VSTi's is already there, we have VST FX already in each track on each output, VSTI's on the input with MIDI routed to them would be a hell of a lot easier t implement than changing the session/arrangement screens and clutering them up. Keep it audio, Live uses MIDI for control brilliantly already. Just extend it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Oct 17, 2003 1:20 pm

the midi recording could just be an option, that doesn't have to clutter anything up, and people that don't want to use don't have to use it--its pretty simple.

KnTo · Post by **KnTo** » Sat Oct 18, 2003 1:25 pm

Live uses MIDI for control brilliantly already. Just extend it.

that's an iddea & how about mIdI looping?

nosuch · Post by **nosuch** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 8:33 am

I checked out the tracktion demo recently - midi integrated flawless.
if you don't use it, you won't notice it at all.
midi in pt is very similar - pretty straight forward
would anybody mistake it with cubase or logic?

could be a model how it could be integrated in live.
it would extend live's scope and make it a complete solutions for many of us.

ABZurd · Post by **ABZurd** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:56 am

Midi Sequencing suport all the way!

Acid didn't have it until v4.0.

If we're lucky it may b so with Live but it would b great for version 3.1.

ABZurd

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:18 pm

Boy this sounds like the mirror Universe of the Reason users forums.
"We want audio - no, audio would ruin Reason - why would it ruin Reason? - I don't know I just don't want it!"
I know of no other program as cool for looping as Live. I don't own it (yet) but if it added MIDI looping (and I know from the demo that it could be added simply and treat it almost exactly like audio, as others had mentioned) I'd say it would carve out an even MORE unique place in the musical universe.
A MIDI looper is something I've dreamed about for years, as I perform live with keyboards in a few different ensembles that improvise (so yes, I'm a performer on stage, not a MIDI programmer). I'd also need audio looping as well, and would love to have both in one app. And that app would be LIVE!
I'd use it for live performance, BTW, and work more with Reason for composition in the studio, and Pro Tools for recording/editing/mixing. But as always, there is room for cross-pollination.
So, what I'm saying: add MIDI looping, not like anything else out there, and do it in the "Live" way so you don't change the interface for the non MIDI folks out there. Leave the MIDI sequencing (and audio recording/editing/mixing) to the giants of the industry.
Live, just keep on doing your thing, man...

Peace,
Selig.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:30 pm

Absolfrigginlutely. Oh, and VSTi's on the track input drop-down

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 6:38 pm

Right On! DOwn with the illogical, non-specific, silly MIDI-haters. I've yet to hear any reason why MIDI would "ruin Live"--trust me, the designers at Ableton are a lot smarter than you MIDIhaters that have visions of Cubase or Logic in you head--get over it! Live is clearly unique, and developed by some intelligent and logical people, don't sell them short with your no-imagination preconceptions of what midi in Live would be like. Come on, these people have created revolutionary software, do you really think they're going to F@ck it up with poorly implemented MIDI, or by copying others? Have some faith, just because you can't think of how Live would implement MIDI (or because all you can "imagine" is every other DAW out there), doesn't mean that they can't do it in such a way as to make us all happy. Give us a good reason for being a MIDI hater (there really isn't one), or shut up and quit hatin'!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 10:59 pm

Anonymous wrote:*yawn*

Dont read then

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:01 pm

KnTo wrote:i been playing guitar for several years, then i recently decided to record myself , doing it my own. (sorry my english i not as well as i think)
i seeked for a goos software recorder, began my nightmare with cubasis.
................
then i fallled on Live and live , with the loop jam plaing amazed me so much that i turned experimental .......well..
i don't really no midi sequences but i tried some, hard to to for for a newbie.
so in that way i imagine that ableton bring me a a so creative tool that i don't want to make a "cubase-like" music.
indeed using VSTi and record them in live would be usefull,
indeed editing sequences would be also very usefull for proffessionals as i'm not but : is that the way Live is
then i also think sometimes it would be usefull to prepare sequences of my machines, but i'm a player not an midi-ingeneer.
if live would be abble to treat some midi-loops with simple but powerfull edits , that would be very different. perhaps, but that may be hard to implement. and then live would get very complex on the arrangement wiew,
something else , how would live be ableton to play/trigger midi devices\VSTi , if you already use your note-on messages for audio loops this may already be a nightmare for ableton programmers.

You see the keyword here is

"I recorded myself recently"

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Oct 20, 2003 11:19 pm

Fear! is what the No Midi Brigade breed because they Fear the added but tiny extra learning curve they may have with a midi live.

Also I see Live being put in the same bracket as Reason. This is Crap. Live already has the look and feel of a fully fledged DAW. Reason will always look a little toy town to me and even if they did add audio capibility I would never use it for that.

But Ableton have produced a DAW that is simply screaming for midi capibility. This may have been unintentional byy the designers, but the cries for 'Midi' will never stop.

When I llok at Live I see the best GUI out there by far. Its extremely intuitive to use.

As far as Im concerned Live is a totally proffessional system and if they add midi then I dont think theres anything else out there that would be able to touch it.

Its not so much Lives features or lack of thats going to give it the name it deserves in a year or 2. Its its ease of use and how it brings the producer or musician closer to the actual music making process. Its an immensely creative tool and shoul dremain so. But it should also encourage musical creativeness by any means. And those means usually are audio and midi when using a DAW (which I see ableton as).

The key to Lives midi success is how its midi is implemented. I for one believe it shold operate as close to how the audi works. Instead of seeing a wavefore when you click on a part you would see a midi grid. I could happily work with that kind of system.

The great thing about Ableton is that it happily marries a combination of Loop Sequencing/recording with traditional Linear recording and that will make the traditionalists as well as the loop guys happy. (btw when I say linear recording i mean on the surafce it would seem it is but we all know its not)

Rock On Ableton

I look forward to the day when you take your software up another level.

Alright, I'm with you. Bring on the MIDI sequencing...

I'm wit yalls!