Sidechain for Gate and Compressor

[Phibbler]

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[DJRetard]

djretard,

this is the second time i hear you mentioning that you can't do sidechaining with vst2. could you please elaborate? vanilla comp, kjaerhus golden unipressor (i think that's its name) and voxengo crunchessor are all vst effects and support sidechaining. as far as i know they all work flawlessly in live 4.1.4 and probably v5 too.

is this something other than true sidechaining? i know multiple inputs are part of vst2.3 spec already at least.

i mean, you're right in the sense that you can't just select "i want this channel as my sidechain input" from a plugin but you can achieve the exact same thing with a little workaround (multiple inputs) that isn't clumsy or suspicious in any way (IMO).

I know the plugins your talking about. yes they can work but you have to do all sorts of routing to get it to work and even then I cant honestly say its like true sidechaining. teh Voxengo one works the best but if you read about it, the author states he cant guarantee it will work on all systems. To much of a work around for me
. Its coming, or so I hear in VST3. Cubase users have been asking for it for years

[DJRetard]

erm... there's not very much you can do with sidechaining that you can't do with clip envelopes especially if you just wanna duck a bassline to a 4x4 kick...

Sorry but I have to disagree. sure you can simulate the effect but its not the same. It loses the feel. I call it an electric feel. Sidechaining can also be used for a lot more than just ducking a bassline.

For example a fav trick of mine for years would be to trigger a hardware noise gate from a drum machine, send a guitar through it playing power chords and I would have a syncopated guitar line whichI can play in real time. Yes, I could get a similiar effect from envolopes but its really not the same.

[DJRetard]

The sidechain featire in comp11 isnt true sidechaining. It doesnt produce anything like the sound you would get with say Logic or TDM plugins sidechaining.

AHHHHHHHRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!


for some reason, this drives me freakin crazy. What you are refering to as "true sidechaining" is actually the ability to use and "external key input." The sidechain eq on comp. 2 IS TRUE SIDECHAINING.


.lm.

Calm down dood

To me true sidechaining has always been what I could with a hardware box with a key input. If the terminology isnt correct I apologise. To me Comp11 is frequency concious compression. But that coud be true sidechaining (terminology)?

I dont know if you have ever used Pro tools or Logic, but the sidechain features in those are really cool and sound exactly like I would get from a hardware box. I cant get close to that sound with Comp11 or any of the other work around methods.

When I used Logic even the ESX24 sampler could be side chained to anything, AND you can side chain multiple sources from the same input. Very cool.

So is true sidechaining not what Im talking about?

Dont wish to make you crazy

[Nokatus]

you have to do all sorts of routing to get it to work and even then I cant honestly say its like true sidechaining.

It is very much true sidechaining

Like in the good old TC plugins, for example.

1) Drop a sidechain input module on a channel you want to use as the key signal
2) Drop a compressor on another channel and choose to use the external key signal

It really isn't "all sorts of routing", it's simple and it's true sidechaining. If you wish to use several channels as a combined key (or wish to filter the key signal in some manner not intended to be actually heard in the mix), just send the appropriate stuff into a dead-end effect send and insert the key input module there. In essence, quite traditional sidechaining.

[leisuremuffin]

Since the compressor two uses a different signal to key the compressor vs. the signal that is compressed, it is a sidechain compressor. Since it cannot accept a signal from another source for this function, you can say it does not accept an external key input.


That said, please ableton, give us external key iinputs for your gate and compressor.

.lm.

[DJRetard]

you have to do all sorts of routing to get it to work and even then I cant honestly say its like true sidechaining.

It is very much true sidechaining

Like in the good old TC plugins, for example.

1) Drop a sidechain input module on a channel you want to use as the key signal
2) Drop a compressor on another channel and choose to use the external key signal

It really isn't "all sorts of routing", it's simple and it's true sidechaining. If you wish to use several channels as a combined key (or wish to filter the key signal in some manner not intended to be actually heard in the mix), just send the appropriate stuff into a dead-end effect send and insert the key input module there. In essence, quite traditional sidechaining.

Can you explain what you do and which plugins you are using. When i have tried one of the work around plugins I ended up with 4 tracks to get one sidechain going. To much hassle I thought.

[amo]

With the TC Native Bundle compressor, you drop a sidechain "in" plug to the track you want to use as the key input (say the kick), and drop a compressor of the same family to the track you want to compress (say the bass). Then you set the key input in the compressor to the sidechain plug, and you have a true sidechain compressor.
You can use two different keys at once, meaning two different tracks can be used as keys for one compressor.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/NativeBundle

Cheers,
amo

PS: those have been discontinuated, but you could find them second hand, they are quite good...

[reptar]

I'd love a key input on the gate, for chopping stuff ala the guitar chord example above. The difference in the sound as opposed to clip envelopes for me would be ability to tweak the threshold in realtime to change the effect.

Does anyone use cycling 74 plugins with pluggobus? Is there a way a key input can be rigged up with this?

[Martyn]

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Just in case.

[d-rektional]

With the TC Native Bundle compressor, you drop a sidechain "in" plug to the track you want to use as the key input (say the kick), and drop a compressor of the same family to the track you want to compress (say the bass). Then you set the key input in the compressor to the sidechain plug, and you have a true sidechain compressor.
You can use two different keys at once, meaning two different tracks can be used as keys for one compressor.

Hi amo
just wondering if this is version 3 TC native compressor, I tried what you suggested and the key input button is not enabled. it wont let me turn it on.

I would like to see ableton introduce routing key input options for live's compressor and gate.