Schranz

[spiderprod]

what the fck you guys are talking about ?
i think i spent too much time in house music infected london .
are you taking about gabber stuff?

Oh, think Hydraulix - D.A.V.E. the Drummer and Roland The Bastard

dave the drummer made a few quite good records at some points .
for me it's uk techno what they do . progressive tech .i didn't know you called that shrank .

[djadonis206]

dave the drummer made a few quite good records at some points .
for me it's uk techno what they do . progressive tech .i didn't know you called that shrank .

You can look at it that way

I just call it all techno - slamming, off the hook, no holds barred pumping techno

but for the sake of the conversation we're calling it Schranz

[mike holiday]

dont forget the king of slamming techno IMHO Adam Beyer!!!


you know i play all that stuff slow
like 130 down in the - range on my 1200's

but more and more in to minimal these days...but it just doesn't work the same for crowds of young kids


so my sets go minimal/house/banging tech all in the same set...working back and forth


good to make waves and get peoples attention!

because at the end of the day techno is house music

alot of that hard stuff i'm not into...like hard just for the sake of being hard...but a good slamming drum track....yum

[djadonis206]

Oh yeah that Swedish connect is hot - Adam beyer is probably the most talented techno producer around from the hard drummy stuff to the Mad Eye TrueSoul stuff - amazing

but being a former promoter I'm going to say what's played really depends on the situation / time of night (or day) and who's on the bill

If you're playing peak hours from 1 - 3 in a big mega club or warehouse minimal aint gonna do it

but if you're playing a hip upscale techno crowd for a intimate group of 100 + then hard nose bleed techno is going to clear the room.

If you're opening the mega club, hard stuff aint gonna cut it - but if you're closing a massive and it's a good night some really warped demented "oh my god I'm high again" minimal techno / house is always fitting

you gotta look at that kind of stuff - who's gonna play when and what

Now if you're in Miami or Detroit and your whole line up is headliners then you just turn the power on and let them do what they do - know what I mean

[Danny Futuro]

Oh yeah that Swedish connect is hot - Adam beyer is probably the most talented techno producer around from the hard drummy stuff to the Mad Eye TrueSoul stuff - amazing

but being a former promoter I'm going to say what's played really depends on the situation / time of night (or day) and who's on the bill

If you're playing peak hours from 1 - 3 in a big mega club or warehouse minimal aint gonna do it

but if you're playing a hip upscale techno crowd for a intimate group of 100 + then hard nose bleed techno is going to clear the room.

If you're opening the mega club, hard stuff aint gonna cut it - but if you're closing a massive and it's a good night some really warped demented "oh my god I'm high again" minimal techno / house is always fitting

you gotta look at that kind of stuff - who's gonna play when and what

Now if you're in Miami or Detroit and your whole line up is headliners then you just turn the power on and let them do what they do - know what I mean

Beyer's recent stuff is actually more along the lines of minimal. its good stuff. You might want to check out his Fabric 22 cd that he's got out...its ace.

on another note, its nice to see people educated about techno...gives me some hope haha.

[FaX-01]

This is "Hard Techno" we're talking about not fucking Zen Buddism :roll: .
Seriously people .......
And if I might add why does decent electronic music have to be so 'rythmn centric' I swear it's like uber beat facism or something.
A great melody with clever use of counterpoint and a great atmosphere can be just as "transendental" as anything else out there.
Seems to me we lost the beauty in the melody a LONG LONG time ago I'm afraid.
(And that's not just a dig at electronic muso's either) :(.

you're missing out on something that you will never understand until you experience it.

I am a classically trained pianist and i understand what you are saying about melody and counterpoint and all that, but there is an ecstasy you can only get from rhythmic music and being a part of a crowd that is moving to it.

I am not missing out on something I will never understand IMHO.
I've been doing electronic music composition since 89' and played bass guitar as a teenager from 80-86 .
I have been part of many a crowd back in the day that was moving and grooving too various forms of rythmic music.
I would still say the effect is more physically 'euphoric' than it is 'consciousness expanding' and far more hedonistic than it is cerebral.
I just feel we place too much emphasis on the almighty rythmn in electronic music in general.
There are alot of other compositional tools and devices that can be deployed other than the rythmic too elevate ones state of consciousness for example.
I would just like to see a better balance between the rythmic/hypnotic and the melodic and harmonic in alot of electronic composition.
To me the beat isn't the be all and end all of the music I write.
Then again I'm not aiming my compositions at the "club' or "dancefloor" brigade.
Everything is there for the taking when it comes to composing in my humble opinion.
For example I'd like to see more advanced midi effects and processing tools in LIVE.
Tools for generating canon , dual cannon , harmonic , inharmonic , mirrored and reversed counterpoint would be more than welcome additions to Live's Midi effects.
As would a good midi harmonizer , a complex midi delay device with control over number of repeats , feedback gate time per repeat , note feedback + & - polarity per repeat etc as well as more refined midi timestretching tools and a midi recycle device that works of predifined and custom user definable templates for generating variations on midi data in realtime that stayed in key with your main project etc etc ...
Also things like sample crossfading in arranger view.
The option to have spline based envelope curves with clip envelopes and proper rex file support via an Ableton REX player.
Also FFT based spectrum processing FX.
Also an experimental Impulse respones device would be great.
Groove template analysis for stealing grooves from beat loops and being able to apply them as quantize templates on custom beats , with analysis options for more melodic based sample data.
Midi step sequencers would be great also with rotate , gate shift , fold back , bidirectional playing templates and intricate clock divisor features would be welcome also.
I understand the importance of rythmn within a composition and good syncopation also and how it can effect a crowd on a dancefloor.
I just don't view it as the main crux or be all and end all of composition with electronic instruments in general.
I suppose the point I'm making is if the world is your oyster and music is your world why limit yourself to only beat-centric musical composition.
I'd like to see less DJ based enhancements in LIVE 6 and more musically viable compositional and structuring tools that can help all LIVE users expand their sonic and compositional pallete into areas they may not have initially thought of exploring.
To my mind for electronic music to really develop as an artform we need to get away from grid/beatlocked structures and stifling genre specific mindsets.
We also need tools that enable us to escape more conventional pattern/loop based paradigms and enbale to explore more freeform and expressive compositional avenues.
Follow Actions is definately a feature in the right direction for starters in LIVE.
Sorry for taking this a bit off topic.
The beat has it's place and the groove is a powerful tool.
I just don't feel it should be the foundation on which most popular forms of electronic music are based that's all.

[mike holiday]

Now if you're in Miami or Detroit and your whole line up is headliners then you just turn the power on and let them do what they do - know what I mean

its hard for me to addapt to that after leaving detroit...