mp3 320 kbs success rate?
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specialpop
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mp3 320 kbs success rate?
searching thru i cannot find any difinitive answer to this question. i am on a mac and would like to know if the majority of you mac users are doing ok with mp3's in live 5.2 or are you still converting your mp3's into wav's?
live doesnt use mp3s, it decodes the mp3's to wav files which are saved on your computer.
its handier then decoding the files individually, but in terms of sound/cpu difference - its the same as using a wav you decoded from mp3 yourself.
edit: hmmm...I wonder if this question qualifies to be included amongst the blacklisted topics highlighted by the 'NEW TO THE FORUM?. please read' thread.
after all, the question has been answered before
its handier then decoding the files individually, but in terms of sound/cpu difference - its the same as using a wav you decoded from mp3 yourself.
edit: hmmm...I wonder if this question qualifies to be included amongst the blacklisted topics highlighted by the 'NEW TO THE FORUM?. please read' thread.
after all, the question has been answered before
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specialpop
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i see now that i was not clear with my question. my concern is that there are several post complaining bitterly about shifting warps markers etc. and i just want to know if this is an isolated problem to one or two users, or a pc vs. mac thing or just one or two guys who have bad luck. forgive me if this question has been answered somewhere else but i have honestly searched and cannot find the answer. all i would like to know, (and please do not bother to answer if this post annoys you,) is whether mac users are having any technical problems using mp3's in live 5.2.
from another similar thread...which you probably read already ? seems like it might be a bug that you've got...running 5.2?serotoninsteve wrote:Wich version of Live are you using?Silence wrote:hellu there....
i´ve got a problem....whenever i use mp3s in the clip view and try to warp and so on, the sound get shitty....artifacts and the warp goes to hell...
and i get a very loooong silence at the end when using tracks with variable bitrates....the thing is that i was young once and naive an thought that ripping my tracks with VBR was a good idea...its not!....
well...my solution is to render them as *.wavs....problem is that half a set takes aprox 1.5 gig....and i´ve got a shiiiitload of tunes....i seriously cant render them all as waves....
is this just a bug or is the mp3 support bad?...
the thing is that i´ve borrowed live from a friend of mine as he´s studying abroad....and i though....why let it go to wasteso im not sure if i can update it now or wait for him to register or something
i hope that someone gets my problem
peace!!
There was a bug with 320 kB VBR mp3´s before v.5.2, wich made the warpmarkers jump around once you loaded more than 6 tracks simultaneousely into Live.
Greetings
edit: oh and I dont mind this question at all...lol, but you should watch out tho, some long-time-poster wants to cortail discussions which have been had before - and this topic is dangerously close to being that....din din DINNN! watch out before he whips your touche with his wet towel!
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specialpop
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#1 i posted my thread BEFORE the thread mentioned above.
#2 i am asking a simple question and i am writing in proper english.
#3 i own my copy of live and that is why i asked the question because as in the above thread, the people complaining that they are having problems with mp3's may (or may not) be people who have a bad set up, a crack copy or just bad luck. who knows!?
i just would like anyone who has experience with mp3's 320kbs to let me know if they are working fine or if it's best just to change them up to wav's.
i always have ripped everything from vinyl and then saved the files as wav's and never had a problem with sound or warping, but the process has become too much of a drag and i'd like to stop buying vinyl and start downloading. that is why i'd love to know what you guys are doing with the mp3's.
#2 i am asking a simple question and i am writing in proper english.
#3 i own my copy of live and that is why i asked the question because as in the above thread, the people complaining that they are having problems with mp3's may (or may not) be people who have a bad set up, a crack copy or just bad luck. who knows!?
i just would like anyone who has experience with mp3's 320kbs to let me know if they are working fine or if it's best just to change them up to wav's.
i always have ripped everything from vinyl and then saved the files as wav's and never had a problem with sound or warping, but the process has become too much of a drag and i'd like to stop buying vinyl and start downloading. that is why i'd love to know what you guys are doing with the mp3's.
Hi Special Pop
personally I decode MP3s myself first because I dont like the decoding cache setup in live - I feel the MP3s should be decoded to the project sounds folder, and at present if you drag an MP3 into live it will decode it to the cache then when you save and load again it will look for the original mp3 and if you have cleared the cache decode it again which is I big resource drain
as for the warp marker issue - personally I think it's possible the track is just written with tempo changes
sometimes you just get a track that doesnt warp as easily - take a little time to practice warping big files, get a system going - I find easiest is to loop a small section then select the loop brace and hit the up arrow key to move the loop to the right - if you do it this way it's actually really quick to warp a file
likewise, sometimes if there is no marker at the end you can grab a warp marker (well, bar number really) without double clicking to create a green one and drag it to the nearest beat and it will allign the whole track more up accordingly - if this method doesnt get it very close then there are likely tempo changes in it
Live does a pretty good job of auto warping, but the technology's not going to be perfect and you will always have to get involved at some point
so now lets hop they sort out some kind of forum Wiki so I dont have to keep typing this stuff out!!
personally I decode MP3s myself first because I dont like the decoding cache setup in live - I feel the MP3s should be decoded to the project sounds folder, and at present if you drag an MP3 into live it will decode it to the cache then when you save and load again it will look for the original mp3 and if you have cleared the cache decode it again which is I big resource drain
as for the warp marker issue - personally I think it's possible the track is just written with tempo changes
sometimes you just get a track that doesnt warp as easily - take a little time to practice warping big files, get a system going - I find easiest is to loop a small section then select the loop brace and hit the up arrow key to move the loop to the right - if you do it this way it's actually really quick to warp a file
likewise, sometimes if there is no marker at the end you can grab a warp marker (well, bar number really) without double clicking to create a green one and drag it to the nearest beat and it will allign the whole track more up accordingly - if this method doesnt get it very close then there are likely tempo changes in it
Live does a pretty good job of auto warping, but the technology's not going to be perfect and you will always have to get involved at some point
so now lets hop they sort out some kind of forum Wiki so I dont have to keep typing this stuff out!!
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specialpop
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thanks for the advice on mp3's but i'm not at all sure what the rest is about. i am well versed in setting warp markers and live in general. i simply wanted to know (since i have not used mp3's in live ever before) whether anyone has had any experience, good or bad with them. i never said i can't set warp markers or anthing of the sort, so i'm not sure why you wrote the last two paragraphs!? i am sorry you spent time writing all that out but i don't think my question was unclear at all.
anyways thanks for taking the time, i appreciate it.
anyways thanks for taking the time, i appreciate it.
Re: mp3 320 kbs success rate?
doing ok ? ...thats a clear way of saying what exactly ?specialpop wrote:i am on a mac and would like to know if the majority of you mac users are doing ok with mp3's in live 5.2 or are you still converting your mp3's into wav's?
'or are you still converting your mp3's into wav's?' ....well, some of us know that live does not use mp3's - it simply converts them into wavs .....you're question suggests to me that you are not entirely clued up on the subject........hence the 'unecessary' information we seem to be giving you...
anyways, its no problem...but you are wrong. You were not entirely clear, in my opinion.
well yeah, like bounce said "doing ok" isnt that clear - I took the question to be about accuracy of auto-warp which my response was about - the main crux of it being, I decode before live and if markers arent accurately placed then it is more likely to be to do with the track and you will need to intervene, which I was arguing is not such a big dealspecialpop wrote:thanks for the advice on mp3's but i'm not at all sure what the rest is about. i am well versed in setting warp markers and live in general. i simply wanted to know (since i have not used mp3's in live ever before) whether anyone has had any experience, good or bad with them. i never said i can't set warp markers or anthing of the sort, so i'm not sure why you wrote the last two paragraphs!? i am sorry you spent time writing all that out but i don't think my question was unclear at all.
anyways thanks for taking the time, i appreciate it.
In other words dont rely on Auto-warp, mp3 or not.
and the comment about typing out wasnt directed at you, just a comment about how all this stuff has been discussed at great length but the search on these forums is crap so a Wiki with all the info should help.
if any one else has had the same problems pop has had the question is immediately clear. i think b0unces response to the question was shortsighted and tempermental. sorry dude, but i do.
one would say one is still using mp3s in a set even though they must be decoded in the cache, thats why when you save the set self contained it saves the mp3s instead of the converted wavs. and from a practical end user perspective it is quite different as well. do i drag this mp3 in and then warp it, never seeing the wav file at all? V.S. do i first convert this entire song into a wav file and then import it? - quite a different beast, and a worthy distinction.
also i have done an extensive search on this issue as well and there is most def NOT a clear answer except that it has been fixed in ver5.2, in which some cases it has NOT. i have still had the issue with moving warp markers after updating, clearing the cache, and saving the new asds. also it is all type of mp3s not only 320kb.
and the issue has nothing to do with autowarp, or tempo changes in a song. it has to do with the markers moving, right before your eyes, as you zoom in and out of a waveform, often misaligning themselves in the process. pop could have alleviatedt this problem by adding the "moving warp markers" phrase to the title of his thread, but whateva..
in many of the threads about this subject the fix has been to install quicktime, but the bug fix was supposed to make this unnecessary. i generally let live convert my mp3s and then drag the wavs onto the clip view of the warped mp3, then use the replace function to replace the clips, but this is a workaround for a bug fix that is supposed to be fixed.
fix fix fix. that is all.
one would say one is still using mp3s in a set even though they must be decoded in the cache, thats why when you save the set self contained it saves the mp3s instead of the converted wavs. and from a practical end user perspective it is quite different as well. do i drag this mp3 in and then warp it, never seeing the wav file at all? V.S. do i first convert this entire song into a wav file and then import it? - quite a different beast, and a worthy distinction.
also i have done an extensive search on this issue as well and there is most def NOT a clear answer except that it has been fixed in ver5.2, in which some cases it has NOT. i have still had the issue with moving warp markers after updating, clearing the cache, and saving the new asds. also it is all type of mp3s not only 320kb.
and the issue has nothing to do with autowarp, or tempo changes in a song. it has to do with the markers moving, right before your eyes, as you zoom in and out of a waveform, often misaligning themselves in the process. pop could have alleviatedt this problem by adding the "moving warp markers" phrase to the title of his thread, but whateva..
in many of the threads about this subject the fix has been to install quicktime, but the bug fix was supposed to make this unnecessary. i generally let live convert my mp3s and then drag the wavs onto the clip view of the warped mp3, then use the replace function to replace the clips, but this is a workaround for a bug fix that is supposed to be fixed.
fix fix fix. that is all.