Very OT, 9/11

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:17 am

heh, why havent you answered any of the questions I asked in my very-long post just up the page a little bit ?

if you read it, you'll see how I clearly map the context of our conversation, so that we may see where I am constantly & completely changing the subject, and insulting you.

sigh - here we go again.

you call someone a bootlicking self serving idiot, who knows as much about 911 as jerry lewis does on deep sea diving. I already conceded I called you a jackass (the rest being an accurate description of you & your behaviour here) to which you retort with some questions and insults of your own, which have nothing to do with fact mind you.....and, sticking with the context of what you say and the questions you asked, I replied as one might expect. Calling you an angry little shit.....as well as answering you.

the whole purpose of that long transcription up there was to point out more of your sweeping generalisations. I left plenty of opportunies up there for you to join in and highlight exactly where it is I am changing the subject completely.

I'm surprised you would proove my point with your 'insult 1 2 3 HAHAHA' post. willfully ignoring my concessions, and quoting me insulting you AFTER you had already accused me of constantly changing the subject and insulting you - at which stage I had only injected the word 'jackass' into an otherwise perfectly accurate observation.

so really, you have only one insult there. which I already conceded, you jackass.

everything else you brought on yourself and was well within the running context and within the subject range of your statements and questions. not only that it was said after you had alread labeled me an insulting subject changer, and said my only contribution to the forum is nothing but garbage and pure drivl. lol, and you quote me as If i'm bullying you or that I said those things prior to your initial claims.

so anyways, please ...read that long post up there - and show me where I was constantly changing the subject. you probably wont, because you definatly cant.
and at the time, my constant insults was the word 'jackass'

HAHAHAHAH

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:29 am

by the way, did you ever make that app so someone could use two usb keyboards ? You said it would be easy, and if he asked nicely you would do it. Of course, in your trademark context-ignoring fashion - he had already asked nicely.

lol, remember ?

I remember thinking what a cunt you were then, highlighting how easy it would be for you to do something selfless for someone - and then refusing to do it, even tho he was a nice guy and it was ME in fact you were annoyed with, for calling you on some bullshit.

actually no...now that I think of it, I didnt believe that.....you just make this shit up as you go along, hence context going out the window usually.

anyways, cunt, if you were even a half-way decent human being you would make that app for him.

and am I the only one who's noticed that the only time computo says HAHAHA is when he thinks he's made someone look stupid

if that's not a sure-sign of your fundamental character I dont know what is.

Heironymous · Post by **Heironymous** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:32 am

It is indeed ironic that Alex Jones is MUCH farther right than most of you on here seem to be. I think he is a genuine patriot that went wrong somewhere along the line. Now he is just a nutjob. I think he was right about arab involvement in the OKC bombing but on 9/11 he is WAY off. Also, as I think was pointed out, if he was really on to something and was in any way a danger to the "secret plan" that some of you think Bush has, he would be sleepin' with the fishes by now. Alex has allied himself with Charlie Sheen, oh and he sure is a credible guy isn't he?! Maybe on the subject of hookers he might be but not so much on politics. I mean, his dad plays the fake president on TV so that qualifies him right?!

Here is a counter to the looney conspiracy theorists:

http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/bunk27.html

some theories on why the towers collapsed:
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/structure.php

The prisonplanet website is pretty funny though, lots of scraps for the wacko crowd on there. I saw this quote:
"Stephen Colbert's brilliant performance unplugged the Bush myth machine -- and left the clueless D.C. press corps gaping."

Um yeah, Colbert blew..I mean he really sucked, it wasn't funny at all. I think he is a funny guy normally, but his performance was terrible and no one laughed, not even the liberals that were there. The DC press corp is VERY liberal, why would they be gasping?? Yeah, well this is how wacko Alex has become. He needs to take off his tinfoil hat once in awhile.

When the next attack comes, and it will, what then? Will you again say it was the evil Republicans trying to create a new world order?

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:28 am

well whacko or not, Jones did warn about the 9/11 attacks a few months before hand. whatever you may think of him you have to admit that, in one way or another, he does indeed have a good understanding.

and a petty point...many did laugh at Colbert's speech, watch it again. I dont think the main intention was to be funny, its pretty clear he had another agenda that night.

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:48 am

Heironymous wrote:Here is a counter to the looney conspiracy theorists:

http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/bunk27.html

some theories on why the towers collapsed:
http://www.icivilengineer.com/News/WTC/structure.php

they do nothing to counter the arguments - the first article of the 2nd link is bullshit, "Ineffective fireproofing and a shortage of staircases were the main reasons for the collapse of the World Trade Center". are you serious? That still doesnt answer the question of how the plane fuel couldve burned hotter than it possibly could've done. The melting point of steel & the temperature of plane fuel are not close at all.

Also "The report says the initial collisions severely damaged several of the columns at the core of each building." there were 47 core columns, so damage to 'several' would not cause it to collapse. The second plane went in to one of the corners of the building, thus making this theory ridiculous. You can clearly see that the fire did not spread to all parts of the level that got hit, as well as reports from firefighters who managed to get to the floors with fire on saying that it was containable & not that bad. Hardly an inferno of several thousand degrees. Also there's the fact that they fell at freefall rate, its impossible for the pancake theory to account for this, even if they collapsed on each other at a very fast rate it would still not be at freefall rate.

And, how did the terrorists manage to stop NORAD from scrambling jets when they had over an hour's notice that the planes were hijacked?

also why does Sheen's sexual practices make any difference to his political opinions? Jone's is not 'allied' with him on the pretense that he is an expert on the matter or any authority. The point is that he is a famous public figure speaking out about it, quite a rarity. Saying Sheen's opinion is useless cos he had a prostitute is just dirtying his name, not proving him wrong. Again there is a massive difference between discrediting someone and disproving them. you disbelieve Sheen cos he he had a prostitute but believe your president? Lol you should have a look at the history of the Bush family.

Whether you believe that Jones & Icke are right or wrong, its not beyond logic and reasoning to think that the official story is inconsistant to say the least.

Oh and small detail of there being NO PROOF what so ever that the hijackers were linked to al queda, that they were islamic or even who they were. Funny that quite a few of them are still alive right now

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:49 am

Meef Chaloin wrote:and a petty point...many did laugh at Colbert's speech, watch it again. I dont think the main intention was to be funny, its pretty clear he had another agenda that night.

word. He *had* to push it beyond the room. Even watching it from the safety of my living room I could almost f*cking taste the tension in there - and if you can't see that in the video then you're not looking hard enough.

He definitely crossed a lot of lines that night. Rightly so, serves them right for inviting him

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:24 pm

I've been reading some of these articles refuting the 911 conspiracy theories, such as the popular mechanics article link that was up on the last page, and I have to say, these arguments are pretty weak. And the big problem is that they are setting out to disprove a theory with plenty of evidence, but "evidence" can be gathered on either side.

I'd like to see an impartial investigation by someone who is not trying to prove one side or another. Popular mechanics? most of their cover articles on that site had something to do with war technology. Of course they're trying to put out some anti-war flames.

I personally don't care as much about whatever inferences alex jones is making on the rising police state or a new world order, as important as those questions are, I just appreciate indisputable facts he points out, such as Larry Silverstein, (owner of all trade towers to fall), stating publicly on PBS, that they decided to "pull" tower 7 (CIA, FBI, FEMA, Juliani command bunkers all housed in this one), even though the FEMA report states they don't know what caused it to fall. It's plainly obvious from the video that the center column was blown first. Similarly the other two towers just couldn't fallen at free fall speed through underlying concrete and steel. Then there are the firefighter radio tapes who were on the 78th floor of the building with a plan to put the fire out with 2 lines, a fire which was supposed to have weakened steel enough to bring a skyscraper down for the first time in history? It's things like these that just indicate the official investigation was botched, and I find that insulting to the lives lost in the event, and I'm not even American. But Nationalism should mean nothing in the face of human tragedy and the whole thing just pisses me off.

Maybe Alex Jones is nuts, and so are lots of other conspiracy theories, but no one ever thinks of the fact that even crazy people who go too far can be right about many things and wrong about other things.

And a conspiracy in the government does not mean the whole government is in on it. The government is made of people with different agendas. The powerful ones can make things happen from which they benefit. It's a shame sentences are so often uttered like "the government" did this or "the military" did that.

Maybe passengers brought down flight 93 before it hit washington, maybe some dudes flying NORAD fighters who realized this wasn't part of the CIA drill which happened to be running that same day (about terrorists hijacking boeings to fly into the WTC etc.) got to it in time, disregarding shady orders from Cheney (who was in control of it that day) telling them not to, and shot it down.

There are probably a lot of conspiracy theory dudes out there that have come to some rediculous conclusions, but that doesn't mean that because of a few nut jobs, they're all wrong.
Who freakin' knows, but for fuck's sake, don't just look the other way!
Patriot Act 1 is scary enough, but if Patriot Act 2 gets through, you guys are fucked, and then so are we, because our new Prime-Minister Harper is your bitch.

I say even if you think someone is crazy, if you ignore something they say which happens to be true, you are even crazier!

grb

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:37 pm

ya...
even a stopped clock is right twice a day
and if you throw enough stones....

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:06 pm

The worst thing about this war on terror is that its created deep divisions between us all. Politicians all over are the ones to blame. Bush, Saddam whats the difference? Both of them are the same...Cowards,murderers
We are all (mostly) trying to live together and let other people live, even if they have different views, religions, etc (The idea in itself has always had its problems, with or without wars like this making things harder).
Its the politicians who do what they want to do and innocent people who have to live with the repercussions of their actions.
Discussions like this post only create never ending arguments and piss us all off. People don't want to hear this shit, cause we dont have the control or money to stop this. Lets just hope someone accidentally lets a shotgun go off in the power-mongers faces.
We could have loved ones getting killed out there too, so lets be thankful if we don't have to fight and can instead play with Live etc. Drop the subject, smoke a blunt and make some dope tunes (And express our views through the music)
Peace To All Conscious Human Beings

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:27 pm

I usually find that when a puzzle has two extreme solutions, the truth is somewhere along the middle.

So it was probably All Of The Muslims that did it cos the lizard men told them too. Or something.

glitchrock-buddha · Post by **glitchrock-buddha** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:01 am

noisetonepause wrote:I usually find that when a puzzle has two extreme solutions, the truth is somewhere along the middle.

So it was probably All Of The Muslims that did it cos the lizard men told them too. Or something.

No no no. Muslims had nothing to do with it. Saddam flew the planes into the world trade center. Both of them. He could do this because he's a reptilian shape-shifter who lives in multiple dimensions and can therefor engage in multiple courses of action simultaneously. And that's the real reason they went to Iraq. Little do they know that Saddam is controlling the U.S. through the Illuminati brotherhood, while they think he is on trial in Iraq.

See, you're right, the truth is sort of in between extremes, but not so straightforward.

grb

Heironymous · Post by **Heironymous** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:29 am

Jesus, some of you are truly bat shit insane.

Bush, Saddam, what's the differance??!?! Good lord you people are dim!!! News flash....WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!! Radical islam is trying to KILL YOU, yes YOU!!! Not just us Americans but ALL OF THE WEST!
Do you think radical islam gives a shit about your views on the world? Do you think they will spare sawing your head off with a rusty knife because you think "everyone wants to just get along"?!?!? Well guess what, hell no they wont! You will be dead like everyone else!! You guys are so clueless that you project your simple peacefull sitting around the campfire view of life onto the world and I hate to break it to you but the world is a nasty place my friends. Yes, politicians are on the take, yes people are assassinated, yes innocent people do die, life is as they say, a BITCH.

If you think western governments are terrible than you obviously no NOTHING about third world governments and you CLEARLY have no understanding of our current enemies such as Iran, N. Korea, Russia, China etc.

If terrorists succeed in hitting multiple cities with nukes it could be the end of western culture as we know it and say goodbye to the life you now know. No more smoking dope and playing with ableton folks..it will be like katrina's aftermath times a hundred.

This statement is great:
"Oh and small detail of there being NO PROOF what so ever that the hijackers were linked to al queda, that they were islamic or even who they were. Funny that quite a few of them are still alive right now"

First off, learn to spell Al Qaeda correctly, but that is just nitpicking eh? Now, you assert there is no proof what so ever that the hijackers were "linked" to islamic terror groups? The rest of your statement makes little to no sense. What planet do you live on sir? We know who every last terrorist was on ALL of the planes that were hijacked, have you been hiding in your cave for a bit too long perhaps??

Someone should bitch slap you indeed.

As I have always said, it is of little fucking importance what any of you think is REALLY going on in the world because the world goes on without you. Regardless of what hairbrained ideas you may have about the world the fact remains...we(the western world) are at war with islam and there are only two ways it can end in our enemies eyes:
1. Everyone must convert to islam
OR
2. ALL infidels must die.

So...with those two lovely choices...I choose killing all of our enemy. Seems pretty simple doesn't it?

Anyone have a tinfoil hat I can borrow so I can make up my own conspiracy??

Well I for one am going to do everything I can within my limited power as a citizen to stop my culture and country from being destroyed so I have the freedom to make music. Go ahead and fire up your bong and stick your head back in the sand...maybe it will all just go away right?

As a side note...I see there is another MASSIVE poltical fueled thread already...what is wrong with this forum?? Isn't there better places to discuss this sort of stuff than on the damn ABLETON board???

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:41 am

Funny, I go to school with several fundamentalist muslims but they all know how to read so they don't want to kill anyone.

And I know that I, for one, am not and will never be involved in a war with your Islam-cum-Goldstein construct. I don't need an enemy like that. Nor do I wish to be associated with your Western World construct. I don't need a gang like that. Stop fucking slicing things in easy twos. You can't do that. You just can't. If you don't have the courtesy to study the causes and history of this conflict and recognise that it is complex, your opinion is void.

It's not just about Islam, for fuck's sake. America may be at war with a bunch of unorganised people that use Islam as a justification for their violence, but this does not move one atom in any of the other Islamic cultures around the world. Islam is not a unified entity, just like Christianity isn't. Does Desmond Tutu firebomb abortion clinics in America? Does the arch bishop of the Anglican church have any part in the spreading of AIDS in Africa? Are your eyes connected to two collaborating brain cells?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:33 pm

Heironymous, (a guy discussing politics on the Ableton forum) wrote: I see there is another MASSIVE poltical fueled thread already...what is wrong with this forum?? Isn't there better places to discuss this sort of stuff than on the damn ABLETON board???

hehehe. Probably. lead the way.

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Wed May 10, 2006 5:02 pm

Heironymous wrote:Jesus, some of you are truly bat shit insane.

Bush, Saddam, what's the differance??!?! Good lord you people are dim!!! News flash....WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!! Radical islam is trying to KILL YOU, yes YOU!!! Not just us Americans but ALL OF THE WEST!
Do you think radical islam gives a shit about your views on the world? Do you think they will spare sawing your head off with a rusty knife because you think "everyone wants to just get along"?!?!?

I live alongside christians, muslims and without the fear of having my head cut off.
You Stupid F**king prick, do you think that post was clever? Learn how to talk in a civilized manner and WAKE THE FUCK UP YOURSELF you extremist cunt!!!!!
Do I think radical islam gives a shit about me ... no (Are you any better than them...no)
You missed the point, but then as I said before these posts are pointless.