urgh!... APPAULED with macbook pro

[sqook]

so my next question is....just because an app is UB..it doesn't mean it will utilize duo core support?

No, not necessarily. The term "universal" just means that the binary is multi-platform. Basically, a UB contains the binary code for multiple platforms in different segments (ie, a ppc segment, an x86 segment, etc.), and then just tells the host OS where to find the respective binary for its architecture. The actual binary inside the UB can do whatever it wants; if it has no special code for dealing with SMP (symmetric multiprocessing support), then it will run as normal on a single core.

if live 6 utilizes duo core support..does that mean every app running under it will have a boost...or each app has to be written to take advantage of it?

Presumably, yes. Live is a multi-threaded app, and when it includes SMP support, it will probably be smart enough to push specific processing threads out to different cores. This is just a guess, though... nobody (except for the abes themselves) knows at the moment how live6's SMP will work.

[forgie]

If the software you need to use isn't in UB yet, then obviously you can't use a MBP for your daily audio work. So yeah, sell your macbook pro. Why didn't you ask this question on the forum if you weren't sure?

Probably because he feared getting 2+ pages of flames instead of a straight answer to his question.

Yeah, sorry for the negative attitude folks. I've been doing some "windows support" for my dad's office. I get this tension and attitude when I have to deal with windows, and ESPECIALLY when it's windows 98.

Sorry to the OP. I will take a chill pill. In the future, don't believe what people in Apple stores tell you though. The online Apple community knows MUCH more then the store staff ever will.

What are you gonna do with the MBP? And what software do you have that isn't Universal?

[sqook]

Sorry to the OP. I will take a chill pill. In the future, don't believe what people in Apple stores tell you though. The online Apple community knows MUCH more then the store staff ever will.

This is good advice... I'd like to extend it a step further from "Apple stores" to "computer stores", though.. may it be best buy, wal-mart, wherever. The people that work there are selling computers, usually on commission. If they actually knew anything more about the hardware they are selling, they'd be the techs in the back that don't have to talk to customers.

[rbmonosylabik]

What are you gonna do with the MBP?

send it to me hopefully

[jasefos]

I've been a PC boy from way back (Atari and then PC's from 1990 onward), and now, since the announcement of BootCamp, I am **seriously** considering a MacBookPro as my next DAW ... I mean absolutely!

Any of my colleagues reading this would fall off their chair at the thought that one day, I'll be sitting in front of one of laptops sporting a poxy glowing Apple on the lid. Personally I'd prefer if mine had a glowing pear on the lid. In fact I'll have mine modified ; )

Having both platforms in one laptop is a incredibly useful - finally people will have a convenient choice of which OS runs their (crossplatform) software best. I'd never consider running realtime applications through Rosetta (i.e. a Virtual Power PC Emulator) and I would only make my judgements based on Universal Binary compiled applications VS the same applications running on Windows. With boot-camp Mac lovers can now stop complaining about Phillip Goutier not having plans to release Wavelab for MacOSX. In fact a whole mammoth amount of awesome msic software awaits the Mac community. I'm also looking forward to running MacOSX-exclusive software (NOT through Rosetta).

Most One-Eyed-Mac dudes I work with will rejoice thinking "ahh yes, another has made the switch".

I haven't switched - I just want a fast, well built laptop to run Win XP on (or Vista - once it's fit for consumption by musicians) and the price isn't too far off a similarly specced Dell Insipiron 9400 which is roughly equivalent.

Apple's G4 Powerbook range are well constructed, look dead sexy, lightweight and very thin. To date, however, they were severely underpowered (Powerbook was a contradiction in terms!) and very overpriced. Underpowered and overpriced (and not necessarily more stable) is never a combination I'd never run with. Who cares about how cool the thing looks if it doesn't provide the grunt required to run audio apps and superb sounding (CPU thirsty) soft synths?

In my humble opinion the Mac Book Pro should definitely provide more power than any PC laptop I've used with a reasonable price for entry to run MacOSX ...

Plus, I'll be able have a go at picking up some of those gold digging Sydney North Shore moles whose ears prick up whenever they hear the Apple 'bong" noise when you flip out the lappy at the Cafe.

; )

Dell/Sony/Toshiba/Alienware ...
Unfortunately for you guys Apple have a major drawcard on their hands with a well built, powerful laptop at a price that similiar which can run both OSs.

To the dude who started the thread - stay with this machine if you can tolerate this transitionary period. Congratulations for being an early adopter however be aware you're in pioneering days for an OS which is new territory for both driver and software developers. In the meantime, via Boot Camp and just Win XP Home, you could poke your head over the fence and see how Window's runs some of your cross platform software which has not yet been compiled as Universal Binares.

And so if it wasn't clear already I want a Mac Book Pro !!!!

Cheers

[forgie]

Plus, I'll be able have a go at picking up some of those gold digging Sydney North Shore moles whose ears prick up whenever they hear the Apple 'bong" noise when you flip out the lappy at the Cafe.
...
And so if it wasn't clear already I want a Mac Book Pro !!!!

Cheers

You've never owned a mac, have you? You won't have to hear that "bong" noise whenever you flip it open, since with a mac you put it to sleep instead of shutting down. I go for an average of 2-3 weeks between actual restarts/shutdowns. In OSX, sleep (standby for the windows folk) actually works reliably. Amazing.

All mac fanboyism aside, good luck with the north shore moles. I figure that's the Melbourne equivalent of Toorak toffs?

[snowtires]

Sorry to the OP. I will take a chill pill. In the future, don't believe what people in Apple stores tell you though. The online Apple community knows MUCH more then the store staff ever will.

This is good advice... I'd like to extend it a step further from "Apple stores" to "computer stores", though.. may it be best buy, wal-mart, wherever. The people that work there are selling computers, usually on commission. If they actually knew anything more about the hardware they are selling, they'd be the techs in the back that don't have to talk to customers.

that's the same reason i never made any sales when i worked in the keyboard department of the local music store. every time people asked about the triton or any of the other all-in-one keyboard work stations, i'd be like, uhhhhh... do you have a computer? you can get a midi controller, interface and a ton of recording / sampling / beat making software, for 1/3 of the price of a triton. like that oasys thing they just came out with. yeah, it's got a sweet interface and it sounds good, but why in god's name would you spend $8500 on a keyboard, when you could get a blazing fast computer, midi controller and a ton of soft synths for less? salesmen aren't paid to be honest, they're paid to sell you something. don't EVER expect to hear a salesman tell you the full deal about something you want to buy, unless he or she hates his or her job.

[jasefos]

Plus, I'll be able have a go at picking up some of those gold digging Sydney North Shore moles whose ears prick up whenever they hear the Apple 'bong" noise when you flip out the lappy at the Cafe.
...
And so if it wasn't clear already I want a Mac Book Pro !!!!

Cheers

You've never owned a mac, have you? You won't have to hear that "bong" noise whenever you flip it open, since with a mac you put it to sleep instead of shutting down. I go for an average of 2-3 weeks between actual restarts/shutdowns. In OSX, sleep (standby for the windows folk) actually works reliably. Amazing.

All mac fanboyism aside, good luck with the north shore moles. I figure that's the Melbourne equivalent of Toorak toffs?

Hi Forgie ...

nice to see you're awake!
I'm no Mac fanboy - that's the point ; )

And I don't really want north shore gold digging moles ... I was just having a joke! Incidentally I live in the land of the "Toorak Tractor", on Toorak rd in a studio apartment in a block populated by musicians! Have you ever lived in an apartment block where you can use a KRK subwoofer without complaints?

I reckon Apple now have a seriously powerful mobile solution which can run the two most important platforms for musicians in one nicely built machine and pricing is getting on par with PC laptops of similar spec.

Who knows - OSX may win my over once all the software I want to use can run on it with no loss of functionality. I've got some freeware/shareware favourites which will probably never make the transition to VST2.4 / Mac-Intel land ...

Yes, my old Dell 5150 is looking slightly daggy and is big, clunky and heavy and build quality is um ... plastic and fragile (I've just had to pay extra attention to trreat it like the delicate piece of studio gear it is - I guard my laptop crumpler bag with my life and have never dropped it!). It's powerful, however, nearly 3 years later its starting to feel tired. The 2 batteries I've bought for it (which also are massive and clunky) are finally getting equally tired. I was looking at Centrino model however an Intel-Duo based system makes more sense.

Cheers !

[rbmonosylabik]

Sorry to the OP. I will take a chill pill. In the future, don't believe what people in Apple stores tell you though. The online Apple community knows MUCH more then the store staff ever will.

This is good advice... I'd like to extend it a step further from "Apple stores" to "computer stores", though.. may it be best buy, wal-mart, wherever. The people that work there are selling computers, usually on commission. If they actually knew anything more about the hardware they are selling, they'd be the techs in the back that don't have to talk to customers.

that's the same reason i never made any sales when i worked in the keyboard department of the local music store. every time people asked about the triton or any of the other all-in-one keyboard work stations, i'd be like, uhhhhh... do you have a computer? you can get a midi controller, interface and a ton of recording / sampling / beat making software, for 1/3 of the price of a triton. like that oasys thing they just came out with. yeah, it's got a sweet interface and it sounds good, but why in god's name would you spend $8500 on a keyboard, when you could get a blazing fast computer, midi controller and a ton of soft synths for less? salesmen aren't paid to be honest, they're paid to sell you something. don't EVER expect to hear a salesman tell you the full deal about something you want to buy, unless he or she hates his or her job.

I suffered something similar. I worked for a while at audio gear sales, and managed to talk many people out of buying ProTools...




...unfortunately, I also seemed to talk them out of going into recording



Seems like knowing what you're selling somehow manages to hurt business.

[jasefos]

like that oasys thing they just came out with. yeah, it's got a sweet interface and it sounds good, but why in god's name would you spend $8500 on a keyboard, when you could get ...

I am of the same opinion as yourself (Laptop + Reason + Live + Nuendo + smattering of excellent CPU hungry soft synths) .... Reason 3's combinator and EnergyXT certainly makes such a setup feasible in a live performance scenario (an area where hard synths excelled).

You do have to hear an Oasys with your own ears (not through streaming compressed audio obviously). It's an amazing **sounding** synthesiser (the AN-1 analogue modelling synth is WICKED) and the touch screen interface is the icing on the cake.

Nice to have to work alongside a DAW if you have the $$$$$.

Cheers

[jahnlay]

Let's face it

Apple user = Beta tester

Always has been so, don't see any change coming in the future either! Pay a premium for shit that takes you two months to get to work, what for?

[robin]

Let's face it

Apple user = Beta tester

Always has been so, don't see any change coming in the future either! Pay a premium for shit that takes you two months to get to work, what for?

Don't be silly.

I bought my Powerbook and got to work straight away. Not had any probs with it at all (it's two years old now). That's why some people like to choose apple.

A major technology change is never going to be completely smooth but it's up to the consumer to properly research their choices before buying, tech-transition or not. I know that isn't easy for some but that's just the way it is.

[jahnlay]

So how come I experienced this regularly when using Apple but never with PC?

[robin]

So how come I experienced this regularly when using Apple but never with PC?

You chose the wrong apple products?

So despite my reply I do know what you're getting at but there's no such thing as a perfect computer company/ OS whatever. They're all a bit rubbish. For me Apple are the best of a bad lot as an over all package.

I've had no trouble with Apple but trouble with Dell products, everyones experience is different.

[Sales Dude McBoob]

Don't worry about it Reggie. We all screw up. I'm still embarrassed about the time I updated my OS to 10.4.5. Ouch. It was such a basic mistake.

This is good advice... I'd like to extend it a step further from "Apple stores" to "computer stores", though.. may it be best buy, wal-mart, wherever. The people that work there are selling computers, usually on commission. If they actually knew anything more about the hardware they are selling, they'd be the techs in the back that don't have to talk to customers.

that's the same reason i never made any sales when i worked in the keyboard department of the local music store. every time people asked about the triton or any of the other all-in-one keyboard work stations, i'd be like, uhhhhh... do you have a computer? you can get a midi controller, interface and a ton of recording / sampling / beat making software, for 1/3 of the price of a triton. like that oasys thing they just came out with. yeah, it's got a sweet interface and it sounds good, but why in god's name would you spend $8500 on a keyboard, when you could get a blazing fast computer, midi controller and a ton of soft synths for less? salesmen aren't paid to be honest, they're paid to sell you something. don't EVER expect to hear a salesman tell you the full deal about something you want to buy, unless he or she hates his or her job.

Uhhh... No offense taken -BUT- not all sales people are dishonest and hate their job... And do you know why????

Because we're not all on commission

I always tell my customers my honest opinion, no matter what. If you're sipping on some Sweetwater or walking into a GC or Sam Ash or even your little mom + pop shop, they are going to push items that make more profit. They have to. That's the only way they can keep food on the table.

I don't want to say where I work because that's not why I'm here. I'm here to read informative threads like this that so I can pass on solid information to my customers--- and so I can hang with my electronic homies. Or in this case, my snarky electronic homies.