I agree with some of the comments here. I'm quite new to Live cos I had a bit of a love afair with my 1210's and my mates trusty SL-DZ1200. Mainly due to the fact that I hated the whole concept of DJing with MP3's which by definition are nowhere near even the quality of the sad 16 bit/44100htz we seem to have accepted as the norm since our vinyls were dissed as old fangled.
Enough soap box. My point is, I first loved Abletons simple load and play theory, this would surely leave me more time to be creative as I don't lose the few seconds at the start of a vinyl where i place the arm and match the beat. WRONG!! Now I have to spend time setting the start and end points...BLAH BLAH BLAG and my tracks sound HORRIFIC, this so called time warp makes all my tunes sound like crap! WHY? The pitch adjust on the SL-DZ1200 doesn't seem to have this problem and that doesn't have the benefit of a gig of RAM, a 1.8Ghtz Centrino M etc .etc.
The fact is that LIVE is a good idea and until these guys turn the good idea into a reality I will be staying clear. Thanks for nothing Ableton let me know when your program is finished and I'll spend the ridiculous amount you are asking for the as now unfinished article, RUDE AS F**K. This thing is not even ready for beta testing, if it was a car it would be taken of the road.
LIVE is a piece of log
Warping Way Off
What's there to be confused about?longjohns wrote:rwa wrote:The pitch adjust on the SL-DZ1200 doesn't seem to have this problem and that doesn't have the benefit of a gig of RAM, a 1.8Ghtz Centrino M etc .etc.
Once again dumbed down for the simple minds out there. All time warp is doing is adjusting the speed at which the track plays (which is what pitch adjust does unless you hadn't noticed. Wondering why this is so difficult (and so difficult to for you to understand) within a modern laptop and its capabilities.
BTW smileys are for girls.
I just warped another 100+ tracks over the weekend, including running every one through Mixed In Key to determine the track's key, and remastering and rendering each one for EQ/levels. Autowarp probably did 90% of the work.
It really isn't that difficult. It's a (boring!) skill that requires practice and a bit of work. Memorized keyboard and MIDI shortcuts help SO much.
It really isn't that difficult. It's a (boring!) skill that requires practice and a bit of work. Memorized keyboard and MIDI shortcuts help SO much.
I've been warping tracks in Live 5 for almost a year now, and I was so frustrated for a long time with the Auto-Warp. I would put in a track (a Grateful Dead live jam, for instance) and auto-warp would always be like 50 ms off. It was so frustrating to me that Live would get so close, but just miss that the transient was RIGHT THERE!!!
So I mostly stopped trying to warp non-4x4 tracks, unless I REALLY wanted it, because it would take 1-2 hours to carefully place each beat in a track.
Well, I recently remembered back to one of the Abes saying that you don't always "hear" the beat at the same place as you see the transient, and to trust your ears. So I tried that advice. Wow! Auto-warp does a much, much better job than I thought! Once I got the "1.1.1" lined up where I wanted it, and hit "Warp from Here", Auto-Warp was right 90% of the time.
My eyes don't believe it, but fuck 'em. My ears confirm that tracks are lining up much better against a 4x4 kick pattern than if placed manually, even though they don't line up visually. OK.
Gotta go with my ears on this one...
So I mostly stopped trying to warp non-4x4 tracks, unless I REALLY wanted it, because it would take 1-2 hours to carefully place each beat in a track.
Well, I recently remembered back to one of the Abes saying that you don't always "hear" the beat at the same place as you see the transient, and to trust your ears. So I tried that advice. Wow! Auto-warp does a much, much better job than I thought! Once I got the "1.1.1" lined up where I wanted it, and hit "Warp from Here", Auto-Warp was right 90% of the time.
My eyes don't believe it, but fuck 'em. My ears confirm that tracks are lining up much better against a 4x4 kick pattern than if placed manually, even though they don't line up visually. OK.
Gotta go with my ears on this one...
Your right Hambone it is not impossible to do, I just find it amazingly boring and untimately pointless when i've never had to spend a weekend figuring out where to cue my vinyls from!hambone1 wrote:I just warped another 100+ tracks over the weekend, including running every one through Mixed In Key to determine the track's key, and remastering and rendering each one for EQ/levels. Autowarp probably did 90% of the work.
It really isn't that difficult. It's a (boring!) skill that requires practice and a bit of work. Memorized keyboard and MIDI shortcuts help SO much.
My point is that all this time wasted can be spent on more productive and creative things. I'd like to use this program, but i'm not gonna do it if it takes more time than cueing a vinyl, surely this is the whole point of DJ software?
As for using it in production, yes some of the effects are quite nifty, but lets face it on the whole its amatureish at best, the whole look and feel of Ableton regarding production is lame. It doesn't really do a lot (OK, apart from Warp!) but glitches like hell doing it. I think these guys have got a real nerve when Cubase/Logic are so fantastic at doing what they set out to do and still manage to look as cool as an ice-cream in shades while they do it (without tons of glitches).
By the way where is the "warp from here" button?!!