Conspiracy theorists combat this!

[subterFUSE]

I think it's time for an update on my flatulence.

I'm still ripping protein farts, and they are melting the wallpaper.

Took a dump a little while ago, and it was the consistency of hot tar. The kind of shit that won't wipe clean, no matter how many times you wipe. My asshole is burning now from the toilet paper rash.... from wiping so much.



Is this a conspiracy? I think the companies that make these protein bars are trying to start a nuclear war.... using my ass.

Discuss.

[robtronik]

And yet, you still hold that a grand conspiracy is probable given the amount of tension in this event? I'll give you this: You give a LOT of credit to our intelligence and covert operational forces. (You know, the same ones that reported that there were WMD's in Iraq and were wrong, by all accounts. LOL. )

That's fine to believe what you want to believe, of course. There is a buddhist tenet that basically says:

Finding one's way to the truth is important. Equally important is to consider what questions are worth pondering to get to the truth.

go ahead with your beliefs and analysis. Its your life and time, of course. I'm just making fun of your beliefs based on the "evidence" that you all think is so important and worth thinking about. That's all.

No need to get worked up about it, since I apparently do not know what I am talking about. LOL

rob.

I agree with the Buddhist tenet. I feel that I've satisfied it to the best of my abilities. It's frankly none of my concern whether you're having a laugh at my beliefs because believe me, I as well am having a laugh to know that you would willingly make a conclusion over data that is inconclusive, spotty and suspect, at best. Like I said before, facts are not made up of odds or speculation. But that seems to be the going currency in the bank of your mind and for that, please make fun of and patronize me, but know that it's kind of like pissing in a raincoat -- it's a warm feeling that only you could bear witness to.

right, which is why you can't refute the "spotty" evidence based on what someone else, through a video (or series of videos) has led you to believe.

There are papers by well heeled and reputable scientists linked off the site I linked to.

Have at it. Cat got your tongue? My guess is that you haven't even gone to the source material linked off of that one site. There are more, but maybe that might be too much material for you to think about given your decision that all evidence gathered to date will still not bear witness to the fact that a conspiracy might have happened.

Again, I'm only chuckling because so many of you want to believe so badly that there was something EVEN MORE sinsister than the motives of terrorists who have been attacking us for years.

rob.

[subterFUSE]

Cat got your tongue?

No. But my cat just took a dump in the bathtub. Bastard!!

[smutek]

You give a LOT of credit to our intelligence and covert operational forces. (You know, the same ones that reported that there were WMD's in Iraq and were wrong, by all accounts. LOL. )
rob.

You are wrong there. There were loads of analysts who expressed doubt about Iraq's WMD capabilities, and frustration over the pressure from the administration to report otherwise. A lot of mid to senior level analysts also said that they felt an enormous amount of pressure when Dick Cheney began making personal visits to CIA to meet with them.

That is unheard of, the Vice President making trips to CIA. It's not unusual, it simply does not happen. The administration was pushing the CIA to tailor their reports to support administration policy, which is a cardinal sin in the intelligence profession. This is precisely why the CIA in located across the Potomac, in McLean, to be away from the policy makers and the day to day muck of Washington DC.

It was also a huge blow to moral at the CIA when George Tenet sat at the United Nations with Colin Powell and presented the "slam dunk". Tenet did not even have to say anything, he just sat behind Powell. That, in and of itself, said that the agency endorsed Powells claims, even though the agency was apparently deeply divided over the issue. This is also why we saw so many CIA employees leave the agency around the time of the Iraq war.

With all due respect saying something like "You know, the same ones that reported that there were WMD's in Iraq and were wrong, by all accounts. LOL" this is an example of how people buy whatever they are told and pass it on as being the whole, informed truth when it is actually anything but.

The truth is proper protocol was not followed at the CIA regarding Iraq intelligence, the agency was very divided over the issue, only those who's reports supported the Administrations goals were listened to, the nay-sayers were ignored and in the end Tenet rolled over and the White House won the day. Loads of veteran intelligence officials, the ones with any integrity, left the agency in protest. Tenet went on to resign, the White House appointed a political puppet (Porter Goss) and shifted all of the blame back to CIA.

[DeadlyKungFu]

Again, I'm only chuckling because so many of you want to believe so badly that there was something EVEN MORE sinsister than the motives of terrorists who have been attacking us for years.

rob.

No man, it's all about asking yourself, does it all add up, it doesn't. Why were Bin Ladens and Saudis allowed to fly on the afternoon of 9/11? Why were the Presidential Briefings on the matter ignored? Why did Condi shy away from talking about them? How did some poeple know not to fly on 9/11 and why? The Saddam connection is a lie. Yellow cake Uranium from Africa was a lie. Why take down tower 7?

This is not about blame, it's about finding the right questions to ask, we're nowhere near close enough to place blame.

The whole thing stinks, the whole administration stinks. We have not been told the ENTIRE truth, much has been withheld, we can only read between the lines.

[Spikee]

There are papers by well heeled and reputable scientists linked off the site I linked to.

Have at it. Cat got your tongue? My guess is that you haven't even gone to the source material linked off of that one site. There are more, but maybe that might be too much material for you to think about given your decision that all evidence gathered to date will still not bear witness to the fact that a conspiracy might have happened.

Again, I'm only chuckling because so many of you want to believe so badly that there was something EVEN MORE sinsister than the motives of terrorists who have been attacking us for years.

rob.

You can't prove anything about NYC without the rubble. Period. The fact that it was disposed of within 4 months is nothing short of incompetant, if not criminal. When the Columbia blew up in 2003 upon re-entry, do you understand that NASA collected every piece they could find, stored it in a warehouse and then even laid out the pieces in the proper order as to ascertain where the failures were? And NASA's a government agency for chrissakes!

So as far as I'm concerned, if you're presenting this website to me with the intent of convincing me beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything corroborates, then I toss that back at you as garbage because you're missing the smoking gun, the bomb shell piece of evidence that would close your case. Because physics, quotes on what people heard and all of that crap do NOT add up to DNA, a footprint, a murder weapon, physical evidence! If you were a prosecuting lawyer in a murder trial, the defendent would walk with the flimsy crap you're throwing at me as evidence, not to mention THAT THE STATE THREW OUT THE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!

And plus, that site has nothing on it concerning the Pentagon and PA. So, keep trying, oh loyal and unquestioning follower.. Actually, don't. I'm really getting tired of undressing you, post after post. Cat got your tongue... get that crap outta here, I'm at work!

Oh, FYI... you do understand that I'm not trying to disprove the official story, that I'm open to any suggestion but that I'm just saying that there's no proof for either explanation? You do understand this, right?

[DeadlyKungFu]

You can't prove anything about NYC without the rubble. Period. The fact that it was disposed of within 4 months is nothing short of incompetant, if not criminal.

...and as a matter of National healing, they blew that too. All W did was tell people to keep shopping, be paranoid and start TWO wars. The US will never get emotional closure over these issues.

Can't we arrange for W to go hunting with Cheney more often? Hell, he can hunt with me, I've never shot a gun but I'm sure I won't miss at close range... pheasants and stuff.

[robtronik]

ah, I see. so you need the rubble for forensic evidence?

My guess is that the psyops dept. that planted the explosives in the buildings to coordinate the planes flying in would have used non-traceable, super secret, alien technology that would have left no trace of the explosive types.

It seems that even if the rubble were investigated, you would find no trace. Just like there is no trace of those who put the conspiracy together.

You know how smart these psyops, super secret, alien agents are.

LOL.

rob.

[Machinesworking]

Rpbotnik,
Can you give me any rational explanation why both black boxes were not recovered from either plane, yet a paper passport of one of the terrorists who piloted the plane was found in the rubble?

Personally I don't believe that the USA rigged the buildings, or that we were implicit in the terrorist operation at all. I think we knew about it, and did nothing, save maybe shoot down a plane headed for the white house. I see plenty of evidence of that, but I'm with you about it being a government operation from the start, bombs in the towers etc.. I can't see it.

It's possible they though it would fail, and were as surprised as the rest of us that the terrorists succeeded, but it really doesn't seem possible to me that we couldn't take down two jets, or that we would let them fly over NYC? We simply rule the air, it is why the US has the best military force on the planet. Yet we couldn't stop two big, slow, jets from slamming into NYC?
What happened there? What's the official reason the planes weren't intercepted?

I think you underestimate our secret service? Do you have any knowledge of their activities in Iran over the years? Chile? El Salvador? Nicaragua? Panama? Honduras? Cuba? These are just the countries I know about, and I'm not much of a scholar on the CIA and NSA, it kind of turns my stomach too much generally. Point is most people have no clue as to these things, and the information comes out not through leaks, but through official policy. After 25 years ( I think, can't remember exactly if that's the right time frame...) the classified information is released to the public, and you might just suppose that it's generally speaking, and little cleaned up for public viewing.

Point is, the NSA, CIA, and other secret services can keep a secret, not a real news breaker there huh?
So, why wouldn't it be possible for the government to keep a secret or two?

[robtronik]

as strange as this may seem in hindsight, we aren't prepared to shoot down airliners with our military craft at a moments notice over domestic soil.

We also have laws forbidding the use of our military forces within any state without express permission from the governor of that state (remember Katrina and that whole thing? Same principle). I'm not surprised we didn't shoot those things down. We were caught off guard.

rob.

[Meef Chaloin]

It seems that even if the rubble were investigated, you would find no trace. Just like there is no trace of those who put the conspiracy together.

funny that there's also no trace of the terrorists being Islamic or even there being terrorists in the first place. There's no record of them being on the planes and the only evidence they pesented was a passport that they 'found' a few blocks away.

[Meef Chaloin]

as strange as this may seem in hindsight, we aren't prepared to shoot down airliners with our military craft at a moments notice over domestic soil.

You grossly misunderstand governance in general.

We also have laws forbidding the use of our military forces within any state without express permission from the governor of that state (remember Katrina and that whole thing? Same principle). I'm not surprised we didn't shoot those things down. We were caught off guard.

Caught off guard? Is that why some people were told not to go in to work & why certain officials were warned not to fly that day? Your arguments are incredibly lame. Off guard haha. what a joke, so what were NORAD doing, they on a tea break or something? Strange as it may seem in hindsight, there are people who cover this defensive area 24/7, there's no such thing as 'caught of guard' as far as US air security is concerned. NORAD had plenty of time to do something about all the planes. but they didn't.

[Nod]

Caught off guard? Is that why some people were told not to go in to work & why certain officials were warned not to fly that day? Your arguments are incredibly lame. Off guard haha. what a joke, so what were NORAD doing, they on a tea break or something? Strange as it may seem in hindsight, there are people who cover this defensive area 24/7, there's no such thing as 'caught of guard' as far as US air security is concerned. NORAD had plenty of time to do something about all the planes. but they didn't.

According to an Air Force General in the 9/11 CR it was the first time in 30 years that the 'system' went down - so guess which Dick was running it that particular day? Why should the American people have any confidence in the protection of someone, assuming for a fleeting second there was no conspiracy, that incompetent? Nevermind the fact that Dick and his staff started taking a specific antidote - 4 weeks before the first supposed 'Anthrax by mail' attack conducted by AQ. Anthrax that, as strains can be tracked, came from US military labs and, shortly afterwards, mysteriously dropped off the media radar - perhaps AQ merely ran out of stamps?

As for prior warnings - no explanation has ever been offered as to how 5 Israeli's (2 with connections to Mossad) had the incredible foresight to gather in a carpark overlooking the NY skyline armed with video and stills cameras in order to capture each other celebrating in front of the apocalyptic backdrop. When subsequently arrested their statements were generally in the nature of : 'We are not your problem, the Palestinians are the problem'. The US government held these people for some time before releasing them under diplomatic pressure - and obviously to ask questions as to why is a clear indication of anti-semitism.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2 ... o-911.html

[Spikee]

It seems that even if the rubble were investigated, you would find no trace. Just like there is no trace of those who put the conspiracy together.

I'm not in the market for conjecture.

And at this point, after a couple of threads of grade school rhetoric and patronizing, that's all you get from me. Thanks for the "debate".

[noisetonepause]

Its Al Qaeda and its leader is Bin Laden.

That statement is so incredibly idiotic. Please remove the part of you that's meant for thinking from the part of you that's meant for shitting.