MPC vs All softwares mega stellar battle intergalactica!!

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Fri May 26, 2006 5:56 pm

not sure about the 1000's res. But i would guess its 96 ticks a quarter note just like the 2000.

.lm.

SubQ · Post by **SubQ** » Fri May 26, 2006 6:34 pm

Interesting...

So in a setup with both notebook/Live/Multiface and MPC, wich would be set to Master Clock? Live will sync to MPC? Never ocurred to me work this way...

Also, is there a way to use the MPC as controller(for trigger clips, one shots anc chops on Live), while still running as a sequencer? Or U can't work both ways?

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rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Fri May 26, 2006 6:48 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:not sure about the 1000's res. But i would guess its 96 ticks a quarter note just like the 2000.

.lm.

In this case you are right, it would seriously limit the use.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:11 pm

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Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:45 pm

deckme(N)tal wrote: trust me is the sequencer...

yes. It is. But it's not because it has perfect timing, or that it's more *precise* it's actually the opposite: Low ppq leads to two things: "Loose-ness" in the sense that the hits don't actually land where you played them... And a sort of auto-quantise, that, although measurable isn't really something you can usually pick out in a track => It becomes "the sound".

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:48 pm

rikhyray wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:not sure about the 1000's res. But i would guess its 96 ticks a quarter note just like the 2000.

.lm.
In this case you are right, it would seriously limit the use.

Why?

jerry123 · Post by **jerry123** » Fri May 26, 2006 8:05 pm

The only thing that bothers me about low resolution in any sequencer is the fact that I play a Vdrum kit. Buzzes, rolls and ghost notes suffer from a low resolution. Any other MIDI situation I have been in, resolution has not been an issue unless I am working at a very low BPM.

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:19 pm

Machinate wrote:
rikhyray wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:not sure about the 1000's res. But i would guess its 96 ticks a quarter note just like the 2000.

.lm.
In this case you are right, it would seriously limit the use.
Why?

I refered, should have quoted to "lm"s post about unquantize performance of classical or jazz player as an example.
I have the same "theory" as you about the MPC mystery groove that means quantizing by default. But it is just theory I am not MPC man and if it is true about 96 res of 1000 model I wont become one, then would be left only with Yamahas- QY 700 have little bugs and sounds like Nokia phones, RM1x bit better, some usable stuff and RS7k is great but like MPC4k monster size and weight.
You are into hardware dont you ? Any opitions that I dont know of ?

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:24 pm

Never having used one, I don't get how MPCs are "hardware."

Aren't they just software-based computers with dedicated operating systems, or are they truly mechanical/analog "hardware"?

jerry123 · Post by **jerry123** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:39 pm

That is a good point, although, a hardware device does not need to be analog to be considered hardware. The computer is hardware. It's programs are software.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:48 pm

So what's the difference between a hardware computer and a software sequencer, and MPC hardware and software?

It sounds like it's down to the interface and software, not that fact that one is "hardware" and the other "software".

Just curious why an MPC is considered "hardware" and a computer something different...

Michael-SW · Post by **Michael-SW** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:50 pm

Of course they are just simplistic computers running dedicated software. That also applies to most "hardware synths" these days.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:53 pm

Thanks!

Jackal and Hyde · Post by **Jackal and Hyde** » Fri May 26, 2006 10:58 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:Just a quick point.

When i finish a track in live and send the wav file (just the wave file, no analysis file) to a friend, why is it that they don't need any warp markers if i tell them the original tempo?

according to JackylandHyde this should not be true since the timing is going to drift.

so what's up with that? Am i just lucky?

.lm.

You missed my point. This discussion is about FINITES tiny tiny tiny bits were talking about here. And were talking about MPC's and Computers not computers drift all the time or "ableton drifts on itself" lol, god youre missing my point so hard its ridiculous. If you RECORD an MPC into your COMPUTER, it will drift/not lock up but will always be exactly off even with midi time code engaged. . .

And SOMETIMES between different programs, there will be tiny tiny almost incalculatable drift/offset. This is like a science discussion not a fckn "Programs drift like a drunk trying to play an old crank box on time." Nobodys saying that myself included. But once in a while you run across it. Especially if you work in a studio where people are bringing in 5 minute long 32 channel renders from every platform on earth for sequencing. I'm just saying, once in a while you'll see it.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Sat May 27, 2006 2:03 am

i hear your point, but you have to admit that the idea that it leads to some sort of meaningful difference is silly.

I mean, i'm not going back to lugging an mpc2000 and a rackmount sampler when my laptop can do the same job without any noticable difference.

.lm.