MPC vs All softwares mega stellar battle intergalactica!!
Unless they come with better resolutions audio -24 bit and couple of hundreds ppq but not bigger then MPC 1k I am not interested. I will not go backwards, Live and Faderox for triggering and Padkontrol or whatever MPD does better job for me. Regarding tighter midi also ,I need it maybe few months a year any Yamaha will do.( not that many sooo tight musicians that I need hardware to record, as for myself I have my own ways around- mainly doing "perfect takes" directly audio which takes zillion takes sometimes, but I dont have to pay the time)
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noisetonepause
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It's an Intel 286 based computer, and it loads its OS from disk. Remind you of anything?hambone1 wrote:Never having used one, I don't get how MPCs are "hardware."
Aren't they just software-based computers with dedicated operating systems, or are they truly mechanical/analog "hardware"?
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Suit #1: I mean, have you got any insight as to why a bright boy like this would jeopardize the lives of millions?
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.
wow has this thread been planted by akai? whatever, it's making me salivate...Sales Dude McBoob wrote:The thing about the MPC is its sequencer. One of my co-workers talks about this all the time. He has every software sampler under the sun, but to him nothing sounds and feels and sequences quite like his MPCs. I think of MPCs as instruments. There is Gibson's Les Paul, Fender's Stratocaster, and Akai's MPC 2000.
I could sell you a plug-in called Virtual Guitarist, but there is no way I would ever tell you it's as good as the real thing.
You have rung a pavlovs bell in me and I'm dying to get one now. Never even tried one, but damn they're sounding good to me right now.
well if anyone wants to sell me one cheap I'm highly suggestible...I have no money, but I trust galactic credits will suffice.
By the way sales dude, what's your job like? I imagine you to be one of those dudes off the 40 year old virgin
a fellow forum user, Nebulae, just posted this interesting post that I've pasted below. Not surprisingly, your audio interface has a lot to do with your midi latency and clock drift, and not surprisingly the RME kicks M-Audio's butt in terms of latency up front....
" http://www.jay.fm/miditime/ and
http://www.jay.fm/miditime/miditime.exe
This tool was originally designed for getting tighter midi in Cubase. As of SX3, some of these issues have been resolved. However, this tool is still great for telling you the latency of your midi interface and for some adjustments in SX.
For me, the results on my midi interfaces with my Sager Notebooks was the following:
RME Multiface: 0ms of latency to process each note, and after 1397 seconds (23 minutes 17 seconds), my two system clocks had drifted apart by 41526 microseconds;
M-Audio MidiSport 4x4: 6.085ms of latency to process each note, and after 1804 seconds (30 minutes 2 seconds), my two system clocks had drifted apart by 35464 microseconds. In this case, I'd adjust the timing in Live to -6.1ms in the preferences.
Read more about the two sysem clocks in the first link above. Hope this is useful...please feel free to write down your results here so that other can benefit from more accurate midi timing."
--nebulae
" http://www.jay.fm/miditime/ and
http://www.jay.fm/miditime/miditime.exe
This tool was originally designed for getting tighter midi in Cubase. As of SX3, some of these issues have been resolved. However, this tool is still great for telling you the latency of your midi interface and for some adjustments in SX.
For me, the results on my midi interfaces with my Sager Notebooks was the following:
RME Multiface: 0ms of latency to process each note, and after 1397 seconds (23 minutes 17 seconds), my two system clocks had drifted apart by 41526 microseconds;
M-Audio MidiSport 4x4: 6.085ms of latency to process each note, and after 1804 seconds (30 minutes 2 seconds), my two system clocks had drifted apart by 35464 microseconds. In this case, I'd adjust the timing in Live to -6.1ms in the preferences.
Read more about the two sysem clocks in the first link above. Hope this is useful...please feel free to write down your results here so that other can benefit from more accurate midi timing."
--nebulae
Dell Studio XPS 8100 Windows 7 64-bit, 10 GB RAM. RME Multiface, Avalon U5 & M5, Distressor, Filter Factory, UC33e, BCR-2000, FCB1010, K-Station, Hr 824 & H120 sub, EZ Bus, V-Drums, DrumKat EZ, basses, guitars, pedals... http://www.ryan-hughes.net
Someone could always take an impulse response of the 60II's convertors and use Colortone PRO by tri-tone digitalbermudagold wrote:
1) the mpc sound.....the sound people here and revere comes from the ad/da converters in the box that provide a certain sound to your samples that people instantly like....with no tweaking.....people originally thought it was just the mpc lower bit rate and if you used a bit reducer and a compressor in a software DAW like LIVE,...u could achieve this sound.....
I'd say the feel of HW in general is slightly "tighter". Especially in the case of the MPC though, IMO it's the total package and workflow that makes it greater than the sum of its parts.
The entire MPC process of sampling, trimming, recording, and altering the recording somehow is a very "musical" one. I think the fact that a professional musician, seasoned by years of live club and studio dates, designed it, has something to do with that.
Ableton has its roots in electronic/computer music, so I think it's fitting that it would have a slightly more "mathematical" or "clinical" feeling.
I'd say the overaching design of the MPC itself is the "secret sauce", and not as much the convertors or the MIDI implementation.
That being said, I've come to accept that Ableton is different but equal (even though it is weaker in some intangible ways). One thing that helps with Ableton, in my experience (and others have said this too) is to rely less on the waveform views and envelopes, and more on your ears.
my $0.01,
rs
The entire MPC process of sampling, trimming, recording, and altering the recording somehow is a very "musical" one. I think the fact that a professional musician, seasoned by years of live club and studio dates, designed it, has something to do with that.
Ableton has its roots in electronic/computer music, so I think it's fitting that it would have a slightly more "mathematical" or "clinical" feeling.
I'd say the overaching design of the MPC itself is the "secret sauce", and not as much the convertors or the MIDI implementation.
That being said, I've come to accept that Ableton is different but equal (even though it is weaker in some intangible ways). One thing that helps with Ableton, in my experience (and others have said this too) is to rely less on the waveform views and envelopes, and more on your ears.
my $0.01,
rs
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longjohns wrote:was i using my mpc wrong all those years? i always thought that sample trimming was very clunky. defining a zone and then deleting it. is there another way?
In comparison to other hardware samplers i feel the mpcs are some of the easiest to edit with.
with the 2000 the trick is to use the outer ring to change decimal places so you can trim big or small.
with the 2000xl the trick is to use the note variation slider for rough trim and the knob for fine trim.
also zone edit is great once you've got a perfect loop. You can use it to break a 4 bar loop into 4 one bar loops, or a one bar loop into 16th notes for example.
of course it's a lot easier to edit with a computer, but the mpc is just kinda fun and imediate. trim a sample, hit a pad, hear the result. Y'know?
.lm.
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mpc 2000 slaved to Protools - Live rewired To Protools
Hey Guys I have been using the MPC 2000 for many years now and I am currently experimenting with using live.
Protools is my BPM and Midi master- MPC 2000 is slaved to Protools and Live is rewired to Protools
i use The MPC for drums so they are chopped up and not warped (nice and crisp).
I edit all my samples down to loops in PT and then use Live to put them in time.
With this method you either have to warp the samples in Live to fit your drum groove in the MPC or shift your MPC hits to fit an unwarped but original groove sample.
I would like to hear anyone else that has experimented with this method
Protools is my BPM and Midi master- MPC 2000 is slaved to Protools and Live is rewired to Protools
i use The MPC for drums so they are chopped up and not warped (nice and crisp).
I edit all my samples down to loops in PT and then use Live to put them in time.
With this method you either have to warp the samples in Live to fit your drum groove in the MPC or shift your MPC hits to fit an unwarped but original groove sample.
I would like to hear anyone else that has experimented with this method
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MPC/live combo is the way to go for me...
i use mpc as a seqnencer (tighter) for drum sounds and as a sampler for an hot signal.,,
I use live as a really fast timestretcher for loops i wanto to match with mpc tempo without loosing quality/time...
I use live as a vst host/ sound module triggered by mpc...
after i have got all the different parts of the song, i bump them all in live for effects, slicing and a little bit of mastering...(no the "real mastering" but having volumes adjusted , compression etc.)
so you have got all the advantages from both world...faster and better results...sound and tightness of mpc and the arrange possibilities of live...try it!
i use mpc as a seqnencer (tighter) for drum sounds and as a sampler for an hot signal.,,
I use live as a really fast timestretcher for loops i wanto to match with mpc tempo without loosing quality/time...
I use live as a vst host/ sound module triggered by mpc...
after i have got all the different parts of the song, i bump them all in live for effects, slicing and a little bit of mastering...(no the "real mastering" but having volumes adjusted , compression etc.)
so you have got all the advantages from both world...faster and better results...sound and tightness of mpc and the arrange possibilities of live...try it!
Hey nice one! Do you complete your songs with Live and the MPC hooked up or do you export the loops from live to MPC or another program.deckme(N)tal wrote:MPC/live combo is the way to go for me...
i use mpc as a seqnencer (tighter) for drum sounds and as a sampler for an hot signal.,,
I use live as a really fast timestretcher for loops i wanto to match with mpc tempo without loosing quality/time...
I use live as a vst host/ sound module triggered by mpc...
after i have got all the different parts of the song, i bump them all in live for effects, slicing and a little bit of mastering...(no the "real mastering" but having volumes adjusted , compression etc.)
so you have got all the advantages from both world...faster and better results...sound and tightness of mpc and the arrange possibilities of live...try it!
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deckme(N)tal
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this a relatively new approach as i have got my mpc 1000 from 2 months....
but basically you can use it how you want:
recently i made a track like this
1) i have created a nice drum loop with mpc (which is the fastest way to create good drum loops for me)
2) added some bass and synths with vsts in live triggered through mpcs midi
3) create a improvvisated sequence with the mute tracks feature in mpc and recorded it to live
4) after this cut some bars of the made loops, add beat reapet some e fx reverbs and you have got a killer prefuse73 tracks made only with elements of a simple four bars loop...
You can use the mpc as a midi controller too...i had a trigger finger but sensitivity is wack to my fingers...a lot better with mpc.
another cool function is that you can spread sample tunings through pads and different attack settings with a simple click for real time drum performances!
Or if i have a loop i want to match with an MPC drum loop...i sync mpc with live, sync the loop in one second and import it in mpc through usb in one minute---> this equals live timestretching (not the mpc crap one) plus mpc sound...with no efforts!
but basically you can use it how you want:
recently i made a track like this
1) i have created a nice drum loop with mpc (which is the fastest way to create good drum loops for me)
2) added some bass and synths with vsts in live triggered through mpcs midi
3) create a improvvisated sequence with the mute tracks feature in mpc and recorded it to live
4) after this cut some bars of the made loops, add beat reapet some e fx reverbs and you have got a killer prefuse73 tracks made only with elements of a simple four bars loop...
You can use the mpc as a midi controller too...i had a trigger finger but sensitivity is wack to my fingers...a lot better with mpc.
another cool function is that you can spread sample tunings through pads and different attack settings with a simple click for real time drum performances!
Or if i have a loop i want to match with an MPC drum loop...i sync mpc with live, sync the loop in one second and import it in mpc through usb in one minute---> this equals live timestretching (not the mpc crap one) plus mpc sound...with no efforts!