Plastikman's New album.....

[guest]

Minus Orange ep, track: A-1


Nuff said.

[Guest]

And there are a number of people/artists who dabble in Experimental now and in the past who genuinely do feel the music they are doing. It wasnt meant to be cool, it was from their heart. If You think Hawtins crap is from the heart then your a bit dumb.

Well, you ended it with a smiley face, so I'll give you points for that - but, *IT* wasn't meant to be *anything* in a dogmatic, concrete or absolutist sense of the word. Music is a subjective approximation of personal interest. Some people take it from the heart, some from the head, and others from the ass. Most "dance" music, which gets maligned by many (myself included) isn't trying to appeal to one's heart or head, just their rump on a dance floor. Music like modern Autechre (conefield, draft 7, ep 7), which I'll assume you very much dislike, is panned very far towards the cerebral pole (and VERY very good from that standpoint - but crap from the other two). The heart is a special place that is so highly subjective I don't even want to touch it. What comes from my heart might sound cold and analytical to you, or like booty bump music to another.

The real question is, does the opinion of the creator even come into play in regards to this? Or should the sole arbiter be the listener (recreator)? If you're into post structuralist philosophy, a system that doesn't believe that anything can be communicated inherently within an object (that the sign, word, and signifier, meaning, are not connected on a 1:1 basis), the answer is no - and now you can understand the post modernist ethic a little more. We all paint our realities differently.

btw - I also agree that the new hawtin is crap, and I've been a longtime fan for many years (living close enough to attend many plus8 parties in windsor, and london, ontario in the mid 90s). I now listen to people like squarepusher and autechre (to name some of the more well known names) and other like cristian vogel (www.no-future.com) which you'll invariably consider crap.

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Yes, and I bow to thee, and thou shalt not curse the almighty 'experimentalist' for a riteous path they have chosen and be damned thee who leer at the power of 'Hawtin'

Its a cynical world we live in, but theres still a few believers I guess.

[Guest]

Anyway, give me Jeff Mills over Hawtin any day of the week.

[jOop.]

Minus Orange ep, track: A-1


Nuff said.

Not quite, minus orange is pretty crappy on the production side. It's loopy fodder for bad DJs, but I will agree that it slams from the booty moving standpoint.

His Concept 1 stuff was the last amazing work he did, IMHO.

[Guest]

Minus Orange ep, track: A-1


Nuff said.

Not quite, minus orange is pretty crappy on the production side. It's loopy fodder for bad DJs, but I will agree that it slams from the booty moving standpoint.

His Concept 1 stuff was the last amazing work he did, IMHO.

hopefully, now that he's llving in berlin, some of the german artistic influence will rub off. there's some great electronic music coming out of germany right now...kompakt and bpitchcontrol off the top of my head. like i said, he's in a rut, but i have hope for him.

jeff mills is great, too, but you have to admit he keeps releasing the same sounding records every year. he needs to get some near gear or use some other patches! oh, where's the motivation when you've achieved god-like status in japan. people will keep buying his records regardless.

[hat]

I quite like the new Plastikman, but I have to agree that there is nothing that innovative about it. It is what it is as far as I'm concerned, mimimal techno, nothing more.

I think someone like Murcof is truly tapping into innovative territory, his music is minimal and incredibly interesting. www.murcof.com

[monolake.]

Guest wrote:

"Yeh your right. I dont like Monolakes stuff. he may write great software but personally I think he shoul dstick to that.

You see your completely wrong about me dude. I am an electronic musician and have been for 15 years. I have heard all the so called electronic geniuses and very few of them have ever impressed me (even 10 or 15 years ago)

Have you listened to pop music lately? If not you should, because there is far more innovation there thesedays than there is in Electronic dance. Dont believe me........OK go and listen to Kylies latest thing......Great Electronica but is also a great song. Kind of makes anything by Monlokae and Hawtin sound like a bunch of amateurs IMO. have a listen to some US R+B (even the chart stuff) Great programming/feel some very modern ideas (Rythmically) far more innovative than todays so called ecletronic barrier pushers.

Just face it dude. An excuse for not being able to write good ideas/music simply menas they call themselves 'Experimental'

Nah.........im way to smart to be conned thesedays.

And there are a number of people/artists who dabble in Experimental now and in the past who genuinely do feel the music they are doing. It wasnt meant to be cool, it was from their heart. If You think Hawtins crap is from the heart then your a bit dumb.


monolake answers:

I did not label myself as "experimental" nor as "innovative" or whatsoever. I just make music because i feel like doing so. Who are you to tell me i should not do so ??? Is music a racing game where everything which counts is messureable in sales, innovation points or chart positions ?
It`s not.

robert

[trewq]

....and dindt we heard that so called "innovative" chart crap sometimes before ??

i suppose that the producers of the mtv-radio-tv-commercial stuff copying from former "innovated" and "developed" song writing.....

btw if my sound or music impresses only one person its well made music or sound ...and if its only noise or percussive or flickkering or whaterver it has a right to exist


but please lets make sound and music that can also revolutionize minds and could not only be played in heavy-rotation in mainsteam-media...thats brainfood for the big syncronized mass ..

[kitchen]

Why does everyone hate chart music so much? Some good music there too. Its not all crap thats been there before and its not only a copy of some underground stuff. I guess most of us would be quite glad to push only one of their projects into the charts, even just for the money. Earning your living from music is not so easy. With chart music you reach the broadest audience you can get. Thats not bad either..

And why the discussion anyway, which music is good or which is bad? Friend of mine said that in every genre you can think of (even Bavarian folk music) theres at least one song that will totally blast your head off. and hes right. So it all depends on your personal opinion. So if you dont take yourself really really serious you wont just say this or that is crap. if you criticise, better do it on point..

so, das war jetze fürn weltfrieden..

kitchen

[Guest]

Why does everyone hate chart music so much? Some good music there too. Its not all crap thats been there before and its not only a copy of some underground stuff. I guess most of us would be quite glad to push only one of their projects into the charts, even just for the money. Earning your living from music is not so easy. With chart music you reach the broadest audience you can get. Thats not bad either..

And why the discussion anyway, which music is good or which is bad? Friend of mine said that in every genre you can think of (even Bavarian folk music) theres at least one song that will totally blast your head off. and hes right. So it all depends on your personal opinion. So if you dont take yourself really really serious you wont just say this or that is crap. if you criticise, better do it on point..

so, das war jetze fürn weltfrieden..

kitchen

why do people who like chart music hate experimental or non-charted music? i think the criticism flows both ways. tell that chart loving boy to be a more open minded about experimental music. practice what you preach.

[Guest]

chart music is no longer music. its tasteless commercial garbage just put out there to make money. no more no less. what defines the charts? radio play and album sales. who comtrols radio play and album sales? the major record labels payolla and monopolies. as far as calling any of it innovative goes, we are living in times of new technology that changes everyday. it is not that difficult to take some no talent wannabe and let them hide behind the technology (as opposed to using it to enhance the sound) and calling it groundbreaking. the mainstream musical standards are so low today for all styles. you cant even tell me that there is one band or artist in the charts today that is even close to being comparable to the likes of marvin gaye, pink floyd, led zepelin or curtis mayfield. yet there are artists and bands today that are capable of making the same impact as they did, even bigger perhaps, but these are ones that nobody has heard of yet. and there is a good chance that they never will be heard in the charts of todays standards. unless of coarse we have a musical revolution like there never was before, because lets face it, a truley gifted and talented artist today with a purpose would never be able to lower themselves to the standards with are set by the recording industry monopoly.

[Guest]

btw we are taking what chart boy said way toooooo seriously. (myself included) c'mon hes actually referring to todays charts as the musical standard. lmfao. he dont deserve to make music.

[Guest]

btw we are taking what chart boy said way toooooo seriously. (myself included) c'mon hes actually referring to todays charts as the musical standard. lmfao. he dont deserve to make music.

who is chart boy? he's was trolling for a beating.

[Guest]

"Minus Orange ep, track: A-1"

..that was the last good thing hawtin done!

[Guest]

"Minus Orange ep, track: A-1"

..that was the last good thing hawtin done!

i always like me some spastik

long live 808