Net neutrality lost :(:(:(:(:

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:00 pm

M. Bréqs wrote:I'm not convinced... I see no real threat. The market will naturally gravitate towards interoperability.

Is that why 95% of sites (including our national television here, which I'm forced to finance via a 'media license' despite no compatible player existing for my platform) use Windows Media where cross platform alternatives exist? Or why I routinely have to reply to e-mails with a 'sorry, I can't read Office documents' cos people just attach .docs or .xls where alternatives exist? Or why I can't access several sites because they're based on Flash where it's not necessary (eg. youtube)?

-Paws

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:17 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
M. Bréqs wrote:I'm not convinced... I see no real threat. The market will naturally gravitate towards interoperability.
Is that why 95% of sites (including our national television here, which I'm forced to finance via a 'media license' despite no compatible player existing for my platform) use Windows Media where cross platform alternatives exist? Or why I routinely have to reply to e-mails with a 'sorry, I can't read Office documents' cos people just attach .docs or .xls where alternatives exist? Or why I can't access several sites because they're based on Flash where it's not necessary (eg. youtube)?

-Paws

I assume you use a Mac. If that's the case, then I think you've just proven my point. Apple is the rogue holdout that until recently has stuck with proprietary formats, while the rest of the computing world (at least the vast majority) have adopted a format that is approaching universality. The problems you have described are the very problems that plague closed systems.

Besides, Apple computers can now run XP. Again, the trend towards interoperability is even creeping in there. It's inevitable, really.

Besides, you can buy office for Mac. I used to own it myself. If you choose not to, then that's your choice to not use a format that is approaching universality. I know for a fact that www.openoffice.org works wonderfully (I use it myself now that I'm on a PC) and even Word Perfect will open .doc files.

So, all the doom-saying aside: It would simply be business suicide to offer an internet service that gives out preferential bandwidth to certain sites / services. The competing internet service who offers access to 100% of the internet at a resonable speed would simply dominate. Look at the fortunes of AOL - they've had to seriously diversify their operations. Their internet service is not their big money-maker anymore, and they're losing customers to other service providers. Consumers hate restrictions (even if they don't directly affect them).

Again, what's the big deal?

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:27 pm

People have been signing up to AOL for years.

Just because a service is crap doesn't mean ppl know there is a difference.

-Ben

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:30 pm

One of my worries is that, in the future, regulation like this will further reduce free access to information. non-state sponsored information.

For example, if I want to listen to a Chomsky lecture, or watch an interview with Robert Fisk I go to the net. It's certainly not something I am going to find on the television or read in the papers. Not here in America.

inis · Post by **inis** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:30 pm

snowtires wrote:the government under george bush has done more to ruin this country than any terrorist act ever could.

this is the dumbest quote I have ever seen. I cant wait till someone car bombs your family, and you all burn to death. Sure, he fucked up alot in many different ways, but this statement is complete bullshit.

Also, in case no one noticed, This was a vote in the fucking house and had very little to do with bush. Sure a bunch of republicans voted, but in case you didnt notice, more than a few democrats did too.

I am a dedicated democrat, but I hate liberal hippies that read this kind of shit. Its just as bad as the hard core republicans watching fox news. Cnet swings just a much as any other major news agency now a days.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:45 pm

inis wrote:this is the dumbest quote I have ever seen. I cant wait till someone car bombs your family, and you all burn to death.

Yeah, that's a great statement as well. Why would you even write something like that man?

It sort of reminds me of Laura ingrahams radio show the other day where she said "All liberals are mentally ill and need to seek psychiatric treatment" and in the same breath she boasts how she has pctures of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's dead and bloody body on her blog and reffered to the picture as "sweet". She goes on to say how one of her colleagues has even more gruesome pictures and she's sorry her's aren't as gruesome but they are still "sweet" She then proceeds to play "Celebrate Good Times" while calling liberals mentally ill and spouting off about the "sweet" dead body pic on her website.

She is dangerous though because people actually listen to her.

Here you call someones opinion dumb then proceed to say you can't wait till someone bombs his car and he and his family are dead? No, wait, burned alive I think it was.

Nice one man.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:57 pm

ya. the 'i hate liberal hippies' is a doosey.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:20 pm

I cant wait till someone car bombs your family, and you all burn to death.

I can't wait till someone clusterbombs your town.

Don't mean to stir shit, just had to say it for fun.

Anyone who thinks the world is a better place because of Bush is living in a different world.

-Ben

network.funky · Post by **network.funky** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:58 pm

snowtires wrote:the government under george bush has done more to ruin this country than any terrorist act ever could.

I thought voting him in WAS a terrorist act!?

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:37 pm

M. Bréqs wrote:I assume you use a Mac. If that's the case, then I think you've just proven my point. Apple is the rogue holdout that until recently has stuck with proprietary formats, while the rest of the computing world (at least the vast majority) have adopted a format that is approaching universality. The problems you have described are the very problems that plague closed systems.

Which is why I've made the switch to Linux for everything but running Live. Information wants to be free, etc.

Besides, Apple computers can now run XP. Again, the trend towards interoperability is even creeping in there. It's inevitable, really.

Besides, you can buy office for Mac. I used to own it myself. If you choose not to, then that's your choice to not use a format that is approaching universality. I know for a fact that www.openoffice.org works wonderfully (I use it myself now that I'm on a PC) and even Word Perfect will open .doc files.

But I don't want to buy Office. I dislike it, and Open Office is no good either (cannot stomach the interface)... I've got a couple of editors that I use and they will get maybe 80-90% of the formatting right but that's only cos .doc has been reverse engineered. That's not interoperability to me. Interoperability means being able to go to microsoft.com and download the specifications for the .doc format and write a 100% compatible plugin for which ever text editor I want to use.

(Incidentally, I think formatting should be kept separate from the text and systems like LaTeX be used for typesetting to PostScript or PDF if you want things to look purdy. The result is better and consistent no matter which platform it's viewed on or which printer it's printed on...)

Just like Office, I don't want to own or use, much less pay for, Windows XP (or Vista).

-Paws

D DAS · Post by **D DAS** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:37 pm

but partially this does go back to bush and co.

all these companies that bush is in bed with big time are the ones that did all the lobbying in dc to stop net neutrality.

and if congress and the senate always see how easily the executive branch are bought off and run by corproations then they are just following bad examples set by their higher ups. bad managment trickles down to the average joe employee.

do you think if bush had a vote on this he would want to keep net neutrality anyway. of course not so fuck him and i back the statement that he and his cronies have done more damage than any,,,,,,,,,,wait scratch that, bush and his cronies are the terrorist. who ever believes that the terror can not come from within our borders has a very candy land view of life.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:39 pm

smutek wrote:
inis wrote:this is the dumbest quote I have ever seen. I cant wait till someone car bombs your family, and you all burn to death.

Yeah, that's a great statement as well. Why would you even write something like that man?

It sort of reminds me of Laura ingrahams radio show the other day where she said "All liberals are mentally ill and need to seek psychiatric treatment" and in the same breath she boasts how she has pctures of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's dead and bloody body on her blog and reffered to the picture as "sweet". She goes on to say how one of her colleagues has even more gruesome pictures and she's sorry her's aren't as gruesome but they are still "sweet" She then proceeds to play "Celebrate Good Times" while calling liberals mentally ill and spouting off about the "sweet" dead body pic on her website.

She is dangerous though because people actually listen to her.

Here you call someones opinion dumb then proceed to say you can't wait till someone bombs his car and he and his family are dead? No, wait, burned alive I think it was.

Nice one man.

We need to find some phpBB plugin so the forum will automatically quote all your posts and add 'What he said' in my name, Smoo. This is gettting tiresome!

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:43 pm

we need a puke emoticon AND the bj emoticon

inis · Post by **inis** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:43 pm

network.funky wrote:
snowtires wrote:the government under george bush has done more to ruin this country than any terrorist act ever could.
I thought voting him in WAS a terrorist act!?

I love how people in england think they actually have a clue about the US government. You guys dont know 1% about what actually goes on over here. just like everyone else in the world. Its not your fault, but the media coverage reguarding the US is ever worse outside of our country than in it. AND IT SUCKS HERE. Im not any kind of bush supporter in any way. But i wouldnt pretend to know anything about how your country functions by reading USA Today or the Wall Street Journal. Be real.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:47 pm

fuck you monkey man - we know all about your foreign policies.