Live 5 and Novation Automap

Riley333 · Post by **Riley333** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:13 pm

This thread helped me figure out that the SL is the way to go. Thanks for all of the posts!
Riley

trip_out · Post by **trip_out** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:48 pm

Jesse wrote:Regarding the bug on PC only, regarding stuck selected instruments:
This has been fixed, and will be available with the next bug fix update to Live.

Do you have a schedule for this? It is a real pain. I bought the SL and Ableton together as by all indications automap was supported, and when you spend that kind of cash in one go you kind of feel cheated when it doesn't work and the only hope of getting it to work is to write your own templates and manually switch between them.

Also is there any plans to change/extend the automap feature to something a little more customisable? Perhaps like supporting the cubase vstxml implementation?

It really is a great feature and I think that Novation and yourselves could really capitalise on it further. Perhaps show a tutorial when all is working properly.

Pandamonium · Post by **Pandamonium** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:51 pm

This thread should be a sticky considering the fact that both Ableton and Novation hide the fact that automap doesnt work correctly with ableton on PC yet. There is no other way for potential users to find out this information BEFORE they purchase an SL (or Live) with the intention of using automap. This practice of disinformation from both companies could be construed as misleading at best, possibly fraudulent. The sooner it is fixed, the better.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:32 pm

I use the SL25 with 2 different PCs without incident. I've seen it run on a total of 4 different PCs without problems.

The only bug I've experienced is fader jumps and it's annoying.

My $0.02.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:30 am

Pandamonium wrote:This thread should be a sticky considering the fact that both Ableton and Novation hide the fact that automap doesnt work correctly with ableton on PC yet. There is no other way for potential users to find out this information BEFORE they purchase an SL (or Live) with the intention of using automap. This practice of disinformation from both companies could be construed as misleading at best, possibly fraudulent. The sooner it is fixed, the better.

Well I just linked to this post from my email provider, but the last time I checked this was a Sticky!?

And Jesse is pretty much adressing it openly to the public as a problem, as well as some cat (MIke was it?) from novation...???

I know where you are coming from though brother- you do have one of these right?

Edited: Well! What do you know? It was a sticky! Now it's not! What is? I dunno? (spoken in a Seinfeld manner).

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:18 am

DeadlyKungFu wrote:I use the SL25 with 2 different PCs without incident. I've seen it run on a total of 4 different PCs without problems.

The only bug I've experienced is fader jumps and it's annoying.

My $0.02.

-and to be fair fader jumps aren't a bug, it's the physical limitations of using faders rather than encoder strips and what not - sure you can code around it, but that goes for just about everything.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:37 am

Machinate wrote:-and to be fair fader jumps aren't a bug, it's the physical limitations of using faders rather than encoder strips and what not - sure you can code around it, but that goes for just about everything.

I don't get it.

Do those kind of encoders have different interfaces to the guts of a controller? ie the microprocessor?

By the way, more than 10,000 views.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:57 am

DeadlyKungFu wrote:
Machinate wrote:-and to be fair fader jumps aren't a bug, it's the physical limitations of using faders rather than encoder strips and what not - sure you can code around it, but that goes for just about everything.
I don't get it.

Do those kind of encoders have different interfaces to the guts of a controller? ie the microprocessor?

faders aren't encoders. An encoder will essentially send -1/+1, relative to the current state. If a fader is at the bottom, and you move it, then there will be a jump, unless you have soft take-over.

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:14 am

Didn't know that, good stuff. My BCR behaves better with encoders, but I have to rethink how it works now.

In the end I use whats I gots and there's so many workarounds I can make it happen, enough to amuse myself. But it's always cool to learn new stuff.

Apologies in advance for the bad writing, I'm watching recorded world cup, Germany-Poland. Half time's ovr.

Pandamonium · Post by **Pandamonium** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:36 am

DeadlyKungFu wrote:I use the SL25 with 2 different PCs without incident. I've seen it run on a total of 4 different PCs without problems.

The only bug I've experienced is fader jumps and it's annoying.

My $0.02.

I can't, Ableton can,t and Novation can't get it to work without incident SUUUUUUURE you can

Pandamonium · Post by **Pandamonium** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:53 pm

LOFA wrote:Well! What do you know? It was a sticky! Now it's not! What is? I dunno? (spoken in a Seinfeld manner).

Exactly!

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:37 pm

Pandamonium wrote:
LOFA wrote:Well! What do you know? It was a sticky! Now it's not! What is? I dunno? (spoken in a Seinfeld manner).
Exactly!

It's a bouncy. Up and down, up and down...

Do any Mac people have Pando's problem with their SL?

My half assed bet is that it's a USB issue, some Winbloze update or service pack or some chipset that drops a packet and the SL goes to shit. It could be a bad USB chip on some SL25s.

Early adopters always get screwed. Given the initial shipments of really flaky keyboards this project was on a fast track to market. It's pretty bad to overlook stuff like drum pads wired backwards, that's from bad circuit boards that should have never gotten out of engineering phase, let alone anywhere near the factory floor.

No matter, mine works great!! Neener neener neener!!!

debu · Post by **debu** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:16 am

I'm having the same issue as Pandamonium on PC. I'll be getting my mac back soon and I'll give it a go on it. DKF by chance did you purchase your SL from robotspeak in SF?

DeadlyKungFu · Post by **DeadlyKungFu** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:31 am

debu wrote:I'm having the same issue as Pandamonium on PC. I'll be getting my mac back soon and I'll give it a go on it. DKF by chance did you purchase your SL from robotspeak in SF?

The very same, going back tomorrow to return a Presonus Firebox that won't cooperate.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:47 am

Hey jesse,

How are the talks going? Has there been any mention of different automap templates?
I would gladly pay $$$ for customizable ones! Even for a tutorial on editing this beast for Ableton!

If there are features in live 6 that can accomodate for versatility in related areas, I will consider donating plasma in Ableton's honor.

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