Wht is PVD doing, SERIOUSLY.

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Post by elektrovert » Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:58 pm

hossegor wrote:ok i got some information from his interview. can someone explain to me what he is really doing ? final scratch into ableton ???


trance.nu: When you are DJ-ing, you’re using Ableton Live a lot. What do you like so much about it?
Paul van Dyk: I’m not just use Ableton Live, I use a combination between Scratch Live and Ableton. I have 2 computers with me and I’m basicly using Scratch Live with time coded CD’s. That signal actually goes into the interface of Ableton Live. Within Ableton Live I have the possibility then to do the craziest things, because it’s a combination of a DJ program with a sequencer program. That obviously enables you to sort of re-arrange the whole track. It’s much more actually like playing live then rather DJ-ing in a normal way of how some people understand it. It’s crazy all the possibilities you have and the options of being creative they are just endless! Electronic music has always been about breaking the boundaries on the creative level as much as on the technological side. And by using those elements of course and these programs and computers and stuff, you can actually push the boundaries again! It makes something even more special. Because of the set up, I can never ever play a track the same way, because it’s always somehow different, it’s always a different thing. That makes it even more unique on one hand, but it also makes it more special to the actual event itself. For example, I can take elements of the track away and just play the strings, the drums or whatever.[/b]

Trance.nu: So you have special CD’s for that, since you can remove some parts?
Paul van Dyk: No, it’s a DJ program and it works a bit the same as Final Scratch. With the older systems you had a beeping noise, a time code, on the vinyl. That time code was actually translated through an interface. So the computer program knows exactly where the time code is. And then you hav a program, like a window, where you use something like a virtual card slot. So you can load a track into it. That is similar with Scratch Live, but instead of using analog vinyl, I use a CD with a time code. And that goes into the one computer, usually on my left side. And then this signal, instead of going into the mixer to be mixed, goes straight into the other computer through another interface that’s connected with the other computer on the right side, which drives the Ableton. It’s quite a tricky set up, but it’s great! It’s an amazing way of doing what I do now!


Trance.nu: But do you always use Ableton in your DJ-sets now or do you also still play with CD’s and vinyls in your sets?
Paul van Dyk: I don’t play vinyls. But what I do is pretty much like playing with CD’s. Actually I’m not putting a CD with music there in anymore, because there is the time code on the CD. All I do is skip the CD to the beginning, so the computer program knows it’s in the beginning of the track. Then I load a track in and then I’ll play it!


Trance.nu: If you werent a DJ, what occupation do you think you would have?
Paul van Dyk: I don’t know… Maybe I would be a cook!

Trance.nu: Your latest mixcompilation The Politics Of Dancing Part 2 was recently released. How are the reactions on this one so far?
Paul van Dyk: Very good! You know, people really understood the special approach of how the mix was done. I always said that I don’t really like DJ mix CD’s, because you never can really capture the atmosphere of a club night or an event on a CD. So this is more like a technical concept about combining all the things that I’m doing: Being a DJ, being a musician and being a producer. Imagine track 11, you have the drums and then you take the bassline of track 7 together with the strings of track 5. And it all works harmonic together. This is what the CD does!

that makes NO sense at all! :?

CD's with timecode?? WTF???

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Post by Nixon » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:07 pm

The Politics Of Dancing Part 2
I there is a competition for shittiest cd name, paul would win it! :lol:

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Post by Gtrance » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:01 pm

I know some people couldn't give two shits either way about what he uses but I am really interested to know what he is going on about with all this time code boll**ks. Does anybody know exactly what this is or does anybody understand anything about the setup he has???

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Post by robtronik » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:13 pm

its simple. the timecode is on the CDs. When played back it sends, in essence, a tone. When that tone's pitch is altered, the programs like Scratch Live and Final Scratch interpret that as a speed change in the tracks playing back in the computer and adjust the speed in accordance to the pitch difference in sound coming from the timecoded vinyl or CDs.

this is how those programs work.

W/ regard to the timecode being fed into ableton Live, I'm not sure why or how that is done as it would do two things:

1) introduce latency to the Serato Scratch playback software - more than what it usually does and...
2) why he would do that in the first place, I have no idea or whether it is technically feasible or smart thing to do anyway.

maybe he is using that timecode to control Live's BPM? I haven't thought about that approach, so I don't know.

rob.

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Post by supster » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:24 pm

leonard wrote:Who gives a shit, SERIOUSLY?!?!

people who are interested in or using digital technology in live performance ..

that is, the ones that are not sitting around with thier thumb up thier ass trying to prove how cool and above it all they are. wierdo

about the system:

it sounds like he's using a CD as the time keeper for serato. he controls the BPM using the CDJs and these CDs, loads the tracks into serato on the laptop - and feeds the signasl from serato thru Live.

this way he can beatmatch with the CDJs, and add any samples / tracks / elements in beatmatched in other Live channels in the session.

yes? if so - very cool way to do things.

anybody that is not a 13 year old sitting in thier moms basement trying to prove how cool they are to anoymous strangers on the internet by trashing famous DJs that they dont know ... feel free to comment one way or another.

but i do think this is what hes doing

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Post by hossegor » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:26 pm

maybe he is just acting like he is pitching the cds but he actually just using ableton.

that would be pretty gay.

i have never heard anyone feeding timecode into ableton...

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Post by supster » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:28 pm

robtronik wrote:maybe he is using that timecode to control Live's BPM? I haven't thought about that approach, so I don't know.

rob.
yes, this is what i think. both serato and Live are controlled by the signal coming from the CDJs.

so they are in synch, and any elements he adds in with Live as he's beatmatching are in sync


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Post by supster » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:30 pm

hossegor wrote: i have never heard anyone feeding timecode into ableton...

other than, any other program that acts as a master to Live using MIDI time clock?

of course Live responds to external time information


why the fuck would somebody with over 20 years professional DJing go on stage and fake something??

god people on this forum are strange. get a life

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Post by lapax » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:31 pm

robtronik wrote: 2) why he would do that in the first place, I have no idea or whether it is technically feasible or smart thing to do anyway.
maybe he is using that timecode to control Live's BPM? I haven't thought about that approach, so I don't know.
rob.
I think PVD is using one laptop on left to load Mps tracks using Serato Scratch Live. The timecode cd is inserted inside the cd drive. So this is the Mp3s he is playing. From this laptop, he is hooking it directly to an "interface" and to the laptop on the right which runs Ableton Live. The music coming from the laptop on the left is fed into the laptop on the right through this interface and he adds creativity by adding various effects, samples etc. Does anyone know what kind of "interface" he is using? I am thinking this is some type of an expensive USB or Firewire external sound card.

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Post by supster » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:51 pm

lapax wrote: I think PVD is using one laptop on left to load Mps tracks using Serato Scratch Live. The timecode cd is inserted inside the cd drive. So this is the Mp3s he is playing.
if you are saying the audio files are played from Serato, then BPM controlled using the timecode CD in the CDJs, then yes - this is what I'm saying as well
From this laptop, he is hooking it directly to an "interface" and to the laptop on the right which runs Ableton Live.

The music coming from the laptop on the left is fed into the laptop on the right through this interface and he adds creativity by adding various effects, samples etc.

exactly. however, i think for sure he is also using the timecode from the CDJ disk as external sync for Live (EXT button is on in live) so that its all locked in

very slick way of doing things, it allows him to DJ tradiionally and have all of the extra features of live beatmatched to his mixing


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Post by snowtires » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:52 pm

now, i don't go clubbing at all so maybe i'm wrong, but from the looks of those pictures, he could be up there with two speak and spells plugged into a toaster and no one in the crowd would be able to tell, he's like three feet above them, behind a wall. why make things harder for yourself?
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Post by JohnDP » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:53 pm

feeding the timecode thru Live is useless, the time code is BPM-less.

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Post by snowtires » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:55 pm

JohnDP wrote:feeding the timecode thru Live is useless, the time code is BPM-less.
yeah, that seemed a little fishy to me, too. i don't remember submitting a list of bpms for songs when any of my bands got cds pressed, and yet the time code that's on there is going to magically figure that out?

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Post by lapax » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:05 pm

Maybe it's this special "interface" .... which could be the key to resolving this curiosity.

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Post by supster » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:37 pm

snowtires wrote:
JohnDP wrote:feeding the timecode thru Live is useless, the time code is BPM-less.
yeah, that seemed a little fishy to me, too. i don't remember submitting a list of bpms for songs when any of my bands got cds pressed, and yet the time code that's on there is going to magically figure that out?

he's not explaining it in detail in a couple of paragraphs in the interview, and what he does explain is off the top of his head in the moment .. however..

what makes sense:

the "timecode CD" (what he calls it) serves the same function as the special serato vinyl record that allows you to beatmatch audio files in serato using decks

hes just using CDJs instead. somehow the same time code that allows you to beatmatch mp3/wav with vinyl, is being fed to ableton which then syncs up with the entire system

again, this is the only thing that really makes sense.

the fact that someone as successful as paul, would suddenly get onstage with a bunch of shit for show to fool people, does NOT make sense

only on the ableton forum, where talentless nerds pose and run thier mouth about famous people that they dont know and know practically nothing about, would that make sense

see?

(not quoting your post to put you in that group, it merely a comment on how infantile the General forum usually is here)


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