Why do you hate EDM? "House, Trance, Techno"

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:34 pm

Gyu wrote:I personally am not very familiar with the terms EDM and IDM. I thought IDM stood for Intelligent Dance Music. From reading this I now think its a collective term for House, Trance and Techno. Is this right?

well, EDM stands for "electronic dance music" and is a genre name that popped up not too long ago as a blanket for the various forms of dance music based around the 4 on the floor kick. (although folks seem to want to heavily contest that point, but i still haven't heard a track in the genre that does not have a 4 on the floor kick for at least most of the track.)

IDM does indeed stand for "intelligent dance music" and was coined in the early 90's partially because of a warp compilation called "artificial intelligence." Most folks who make "IDM" would be too embarrased to use that label these days, as it kinda represents an outdated way of looking at the style. And it's a stupid name. But y'know what? I still love all that old aphex and autechre stuff. Even still listen to it every once in a while.

.lm.

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:25 am

Electronic Dance Music is a very general term which means EXACTLY what it says:

Dance music that is electronic.

It is not just what you call "4 on the floor." Other styles are included.

Examples:

Drum n Bass is EDM.

Breakbeat is EDM.

I never knew what IDM stood for until just now. I had seen the acronym before, but never cared enough to ask or look it up. Frankly, it's about the gayest name I've ever seen. Well, that's not true. I think the word techno sounds even more gay.

(Not talking about the music... just the word)

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:12 am

If we're being technical, the word "Ableton" is pretty gay, but it doesn't stop us one bit, does it?

I mean can you imagine Behles and Henke in a hot tub together sipping some pink wine sometime in 2000? The conversation going something like this...

Behles: You know, Robert, we should create some software that really helps us to all the crazy stuff we want to live.
Henke: Yes, I agree completely. Tonight, Berlin. Tomorrow, THE WORLD.
Behles: Ok, illusions-of-grandeur. Back to reality, what shall we call it?
Henke: How about Cubogic? Since it'll be way better then either of those shitbags.
Behles: Come on now, that's a pretty gay name.
Henke: Takes one to know one, girlfriend.
Behles: Well, let's think functionality...you should be able to do tons of things.
Henke: That's it!
Behles: The company is called "Ton's of Things"?
Henke: No, you silly, tall, dreamy man. Able Tons.
Behles: Yes, yes, Able Tons. Perfect.

Well, we can all imagine what happened next. It was a nice evening, to say the least.

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:13 am

Yeah.... you are right.

Ableton. Cool software. Dippy name.

lesterdiamond · Post by **lesterdiamond** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:30 am

ILTK wrote:Why would people 'hate' any music form? just don't listen to it if you don't find it pleasing.

Agreed.

I love electronic music, house, techno. Any genre of music that you do not care for will be received as repitive.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:49 am

Gyu wrote:Hello everyone. I'm Guy. I've enjoyed reading this thread, theres been alot of wise opinions shared. I personally am not very familiar with the terms EDM and IDM. I thought IDM stood for Intelligent Dance Music.

no, you are right IDM="Intelligent Dance Music", for better or for worse (never really liked that term, but that's what it means). EDM is "electronic dance music", I believe. two different things. edm includes most of the styles mentioned here--house, trance, techno, etc., idm doesn't seem to have been discussed here much, but I prefer it (stuff like four tet and prefuse 73).

Jackal and Hyde · Post by **Jackal and Hyde** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:01 am

quandry wrote:
Gyu wrote:Hello everyone. I'm Guy. I've enjoyed reading this thread, theres been alot of wise opinions shared. I personally am not very familiar with the terms EDM and IDM. I thought IDM stood for Intelligent Dance Music.
no, you are right IDM="Intelligent Dance Music", for better or for worse (never really liked that term, but that's what it means). EDM is "electronic dance music", I believe. two different things. edm includes most of the styles mentioned here--house, trance, techno, etc., idm doesn't seem to have been discussed here much, but I prefer it (stuff like four tet and prefuse 73).

IDM never made sense... When Richard James (Aphex Twin) accidentally punned the term, idm - (he has since proclaimed) he immediately regretted it. It was so ridiculous not just because of its pretentious name, but the fact that the next 10 years it got so off the chart that A. It wasn't intelligent at all anymore and B. You couldnt dance to it because it had basically turned to exp/glitch.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:58 am

subterFUSE wrote: Examples:

Drum n Bass is EDM.

Breakbeat is EDM.

ah, forgive my ignorance. I've only heard the term used to refer to the various 4 on the floor styles. You're saying it's a replacement term for "elecronica."

It doesn't refer to *all* dance music that is electronic, though, correct? For instance, hip hop, dance hall, even some industrial are electronic and dance music but not edm. Or am i wrong again?

.lm.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:22 am

Jackal and Hyde wrote:
quandry wrote:
Gyu wrote:Hello everyone. I'm Guy. I've enjoyed reading this thread, theres been alot of wise opinions shared. I personally am not very familiar with the terms EDM and IDM. I thought IDM stood for Intelligent Dance Music.
no, you are right IDM="Intelligent Dance Music", for better or for worse (never really liked that term, but that's what it means). EDM is "electronic dance music", I believe. two different things. edm includes most of the styles mentioned here--house, trance, techno, etc., idm doesn't seem to have been discussed here much, but I prefer it (stuff like four tet and prefuse 73).

IDM never made sense... When Richard James (Aphex Twin) accidentally punned the term, (he has since proclaimed) he immediately regretted it. It was so ridiculous not just because of its pretentious name, but the fact that the next 10 years it got so off the chart that A. It wasn't intelligent at all anymore and B. You couldnt dance to it because it had basically turned to exp/glitch.

In my opinion IDM really shines when it morphs into (back into?) the acid/drum'n'bass/techno super-genres and goes from glitch-hell to something you can really shake yer ass to.

Gyu · Post by **Gyu** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:41 am

Cheers for the clarification. Yeah I agree with the above post, it's all about the balance between order/chaos, dancefloor/technical. Good music that isn't cheesy but which still has some sense of humour. Have any of you heard 'Beacause we can' by Lostep? Thats what i'm talking about.
Peace

subterFUSE · Post by **subterFUSE** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:17 am

It doesn't refer to *all* dance music that is electronic, though, correct? For instance, hip hop, dance hall, even some industrial are electronic and dance music but not edm. Or am i wrong again?

I don't really know the answer. I would say that hip-hop is a form of EDM, because it is dance music that is electronic. But... others might not, I suppose.

End of the day, I don't really care. I think it's a dippy name, too.

Of course, EDM is WAY better than electronica... good LORD that sounds gay.

Nixon · Post by **Nixon** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:19 am

why lable it all together???

err_fatale · Post by **err_fatale** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:53 am

this is the most retarded thread ever, especially since it is in this forum. At least 50% of the people who are using Live are making EDM, or "Dance Music", and when it first came out everybody I knew who used it was mixing techno tracks......

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:20 pm

err_fatale wrote:this is the most retarded thread ever

Oh, I could think of a few (slightly) more retarded threads...

dancing Ray · Post by **dancing Ray** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:48 pm

For the personal satisfaction of leisuremuffin: if I was asked what music was played at club or party I wouldn´t speak of house/techno without the 4/4 kick.

My prof when studying jazz music always said that it is important to feel the pulse of the music. What is a pulse more clear than a neat 4/4 Kickdrum?