(OT): IN YER FACE BUSH! cant buy the supreme court

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:35 am

udp wrote:Well, here I go...'spose I'll get ripped an new asshole for this.

1993, al Qaida attempts to tumble the WTC via car bombs in the parking ramps.
1997? " " blows a hole into a US Battleship outside of Yemen
1998 " " blows up 2 US embassys in Africa

Question- Where was George W Bush during these attacks?

I think you'd do better asking where George Bush Snr was during those events. Just to go back a few pages, the views of why the 'bush haters' hate him is laughable. Noone in their right mind believes he as any control over anything except maybe his personal aides. He is a classic puppet, thick as shit & very good at polarizing the politics. Like he said, your with him or against him.

Im willing to bet the US has killed more innocent people in the last 50 years than any other country by a long shot.

Personally i think that if anyone believes that the government they see is ruling a country then you are very mistaken.

And on the subject of democracy (and liberty), how can a country with an UNELECTED president dictate to another country that thir political system is wrong, all the while announcing its all for the good of freedom. Give up your liberties for freedom, im sure many on here believe that's possible....

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:40 am

Herod, Genghis Khan, Shaka Zulu, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse-Tung, Anastasio Somoza, Francois Duvalier, Kim IL Sung, Pinochet, Ceauseucu, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Robert Mugabe, and many others, "shit on the carpet." Somebody always has. Somebody always will. Get used to the stench.

Violence/terrorism/religious hatred/corporate greed/etc will continue unabated. Always has and always will.

And everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether they choose to support it with facts or not. And there ain't nothin' anyone can do about it.

To the forest...

this weather ain't gonna last...

Hatchets McGee · Post by **Hatchets McGee** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:48 am

hambone1 wrote:To the forest... this weather ain't gonna last...

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:06 am

You know what they say... opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, and mine's the only one that doesn't stink!

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:16 am

Honestly... anyone that has strong feelings on politics and the New World Order... visit http://www.debatepolitics.com/.

You'll be guaranteed debate with someone who actually gives a fuck!

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:25 am

well why dont the people who dont give a fuck just not bother posting in this thread

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:27 am

Cuz NOT giving a fuck is an opinion, too, that's able to be freely expressed on a public forum.

Edit: Believe it or not, I do care. But I choose to do nothing about it.

And how many of you Bush-hating, anti-establishment pacifists are doing something about it? Are you volunteering humanitarian assistance? Actively campaigning for a more 'just' government'? How about running for government? Organizing a lobby group?

Or just bitching on forums?

Hatchets McGee · Post by **Hatchets McGee** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:38 am

hambone1 wrote:Cuz NOT giving a fuck is an opinion, too, that's able to be freely expressed on a public forum.

correct me If I'm wrong, but isnt that trolling ? I mean...you had to be cajoled into bringing something valid to the discussion, lampooning has been your only goal in this thread from the beginning. Besides trying to hijack/derail the discussion & the mockery - your input has amounted to 'get used to it.'

EDIT:

hambone1 wrote:And how many of you Bush-hating, anti-establishment pacifists are doing something about it? Are you volunteering humanitarian assistance? Actively campaigning for a more 'just' government'? How about running for government? Organizing a lobby group?

Or just bitching on forums?

oh..goodness - anyone would think you're engaged in the discussion with a post like that, not at all like the slack-jawed yokel who only paragraphs previously was doling out red-herring anecdotes about hiking

Perhaps we'd be working things out (as much as one can via a forum), if sanctimonious fucks like you didnt take it as their personal mission to derail our discussion.

hambone1 wrote:

Israel’s plan to add 3500 homes to Maale Adumim is designed to fill the space between that suburban settlement — Israel’s largest on the West Bank — and Jerusalem, just a few miles to the west. The ultimate goal is to try to make sure Jerusalem retains a Jewish majority while dividing Palestinians in East Jerusalem from nearby Palestinian towns. This has been Israeli policy for many years, even though, under the so-called Road Map, Israel is not supposed to alter the settlement status quo.
As noted in the Christian Science Monitor, Israel insists the plan is U.S.-approved.

Some of the coverage of Maale Adumim notes the parallel plan to expand the Har Homa settlement between Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Here’s what Har Homa looks like now. It used to be a forest.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:28 pm

hambone1 wrote: Believe it or not, I do care. But I choose to do nothing about it.

And how many of you Bush-hating, anti-establishment pacifists are doing something about it?

Hey hambone1 I was understanding your perspective up until this line.

What a total bullshit attitude? You expect to hold other people to a higher degree of responsibility than you yourself are willing to take?
Black and white thinking at it's worst.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:58 pm

Wow - this is the thread where friends are made and enemies are slaughtered

You guys should be posting in my thread's about how cool I am - syke

I agree with everyone - Bush is a Nazi but I really don't care right now, today at 8:50 am - I got the day off from work, I'm working on music (granted it's a big jam but it's missing something - plus I'm 5:45 into the beat and I haven't even established a hook, grrrrrrrrr)

um, yeah - down with the religious right - let's all be democrats and throw everyone in jail for hate crimes and gay bashing - let's sit on our ass's and talk about how much we hate the religious right, they're stupid and Keep your IRAQ WAR off my body

man, why can't people just enjoy the day for one fucking minute and put all this political bullshit aside and kick it

so what if people are dying in Alabama, yeah I said - WHO CARES - at this moment I don't and you can show me all the dead fetus's and children ravished by American bombs and tobacco but really - if you care so goddamn much stop posting pictures, disconnect your Internet, fly your ass to Afghanistan and play Jesus, save the world then come back and talk about that shit

the fact of the matter is I can only think of a couple of you actually out there fighting the good fight - this is right here is just a show of how much you pay attention to NPR - get over yourself, write some jams (wait some of you aren't capable of that - but for those that are...) enjoy the day off, do something nice for someone you don't know and don't call people names - just for today be cool instead of a pompous asshole just for the sake of being an asshole

easy

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:20 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
hambone1 wrote: Believe it or not, I do care. But I choose to do nothing about it.

And how many of you Bush-hating, anti-establishment pacifists are doing something about it?
Hey hambone1 I was understanding your perspective up until this line.

What a total bullshit attitude? You expect to hold other people to a higher degree of responsibility than you yourself are willing to take?
Black and white thinking at it's worst.

Curious how you omitted quoting the rest of my post...

What are you doing about it? If you're off to provide humanitarian support to some far-reaching Third World country, or organizing a pro-active lobby against the Iraqi occupation, or running for Congress as a fair alternative to the current administration, I apologize.

But if it's just words, talk is cheap. Black and white.

Edit: How many of you ARE doing something about politics and the New World Order? What are you doing that makes a difference? Educate me. Or is it just all hot air?

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:21 pm

doing something is not as important as educating yourself and others.. i think just sitting there enjoying the day is grand, but when it comes down to it, it has no bearing on society. It's going to be quite a chore to enjoy your day when all these problems eventually come home to roost, and start effecting you personally. Anybody can 'enjoy their day', but i think it's more fullfilling to help progress humanity.. and that happens one step at a time. The very first step is discourse, discussion and education. After that, you have the ability to act, based on your knowledge of events. Doing nothing at all is not admirable, or noble... just plain selfish.

You don't have to become 'jesus' or go off to afghanistan to effect change. Any politician will tell you the best way to effect change is locally, by helping out your community. So, how about this Adonis? Here's a suggestion.. why don't you go help out that "raver guy who used to come to all my shows back in the day (totally down) sleeps on a bench on Broadway and pan handles in front of jack in box". ? I mean, he supported you, at one time, in your wanna be quest to be Carl Cox, so why don't you at least do something for your fellow man once in a while, instead of ignorantly berating others who actually give a shit about humanity. Show yourself to be something other than a womanizing mechanical jukebox.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:28 pm

stinky wrote:Show yourself to be something other than a womanizing mechanical jukebox.

2 ways I could go with this

granted I opened this little box up

but I'll go the way of the prophet leroy from 23rd and Madison and say something like

ummm, you meant to say

Show yourself to be something other than a womanizing, racist, homophobic mechanical jukebox who supports terrorist.

get it straight stinkster...

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:32 pm

there are enough solid bases to criticize bush that you don't have to resort to the silliness of equating him to a nazi or claiming the US has killed more innocent people over the past 50 years than any other country (stalin and mao each got way more than 20 million, pol pot got 6, the real nazis got more than 10 million, not sure how you could get the US close to those numbers even attributing every casualty in every US war to the US).

i've also never seen the money in claiming bush is an idiot. first, it's not objectively true (his SAT scores were good for back in the day (north of 1200), his IQ scores in military were good too (same as Kerry's, same GPA as Kerry too), even if he's not the rocket scientist someone like clinton was. second, what does it say about the left if they're getting beat by an idiot? they're even more incompetent?

what i find most interesting about these debates is that no one ever changes his or her mind. so it's really more a form of political theatre. which seems kind of silly to me.

the other thing i never understand is the assumption that others are operating in bad faith. my base assumption would be that most folk are pretty decent, if someone's conservative, they have reasons for thinking that's best for humankind generally. same for the left. i would just assume we may disagree on the means to getting to a common desired end. instead, in most discussions like this, people assume their more conservative opponent is evil, or their more liberal opponent is naive.

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:33 pm

racist - > dude, your black
homophobic - > one of your best friends is gay
supports terrorist -> it doesn't have to be black or white

there are other shades in between.. colour is the beauty of this world.. i don't understand why people try to relegate it to either/or, black/white,yes/no. it's just brazenly limiting, when there are so many other colours in the palette to work with.