(OT): IN YER FACE BUSH! cant buy the supreme court

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:40 pm

superflat's on the money... except for one line...

what i find most interesting about these debates is that no one ever changes his or her mind. so it's really more a form of political theatre. which seems kind of silly to me.

No one is ever gonna just flip a switch and say 'oh, i get it now.' You wear on people, just like the mad conditioning and propaganda by the media. People start to come around after they see evidence to support continuous claims.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:41 pm

dj superflat wrote:there are enough solid bases to criticize bush that you don't have to resort to the silliness of equating him to a nazi or claiming the US has killed more innocent people over the past 50 years than any other country (stalin and mao each got way more than 20 million, pol pot got 6, the real nazis got more than 10 million, not sure how you could get the US close to those numbers even attributing every casualty in every US war to the US).

i've also never seen the money in claiming bush is an idiot. first, it's not objectively true (his SAT scores were good for back in the day (north of 1200), his IQ scores in military were good too (same as Kerry's, same GPA as Kerry too), even if he's not the rocket scientist someone like clinton was. second, what does it say about the left if they're getting beat by an idiot? they're even more incompetent?

what i find most interesting about these debates is that no one ever changes his or her mind. so it's really more a form of political theatre. which seems kind of silly to me.

the other thing i never understand is the assumption that others are operating in bad faith. my base assumption would be that most folk are pretty decent, if someone's conservative, they have reasons for thinking that's best for humankind generally. same for the left. i would just assume we may disagree on the means to getting to a common desired end. instead, in most discussions like this, people assume their more conservative opponent is evil, or their more liberal opponent is naive.

That's actually a pretty good statement

I'm a pretty chill person beneath this dark cold screen name I go by

I could tell you all how I really feel about shit and you'd be like, wtf, but you said I'm ugly and I'm flat <---> this is a theatre

when you can get someones feathers worked up, why not but when it goes to far and people start attacking you or you them then well, it's a just a cheap ass way of showing off on the internet <--- you'd be better served showing off your beats on this MUSIC FORUM rather than your knowledge of the internet search function

If I was such a stone cold womanizing right wing homophobic asshole I probably wouldn't be living, working and existing on Capitol Hill Seattle - if I really didn't care about the world there's certain things I wouldn't be doing (going into detail would only be bragging, lets just say from time to time I give kids a positive role model <--- obviously when I'm not super stoned sitting in front of my computer in my underwear) and in all fairness - being raised by a single mom I have all the respect in the world for women, black white gay straight or Asain (I wouldn't date a gay asain chick but you never know)

So yes, this is a theatre - you guys are just trying to pull some strings and prove a mute point - you're not educating anyone with your copy and paste skills or quotes -

make some music, be nice to some you don't know and call your grandma if she's still alive today <--- sometimes that's all the world needs to be a better place

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:15 pm

udp wrote:

1993, al Qaida attempts to tumble the WTC via car bombs in the parking ramps.
1997? " " blows a hole into a US Battleship outside of Yemen
1998 " " blows up 2 US embassys in Africa

Question- Where was George W Bush during these attacks?

Well he certainly wasn't president.

I blame Clinton's pussy foreign policy. After fleeing Mogadishu like a bitch after we lost seventeen good soldiers, and doing NOTHING to Al-Qaeda after the first WTC bombing, the US proved to the world that it's a soft target. Ever since then, Islamofascists have been encouraged to step up attacks and kill westerners and impose Dhimmi status upon us.

Thanks again, Democrats. I thank our lucky stars that Gore wasn't running the country on 9/11, I couldn't imagine what his response would have been... But if it was anything like other Democratic foreign policy / defence issue fuck-ups, my wife would probably be in a burkah by now.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:58 pm

stinky wrote:superflat's on the money... except for one line...

what i find most interesting about these debates is that no one ever changes his or her mind. so it's really more a form of political theatre. which seems kind of silly to me.
No one is ever gonna just flip a switch and say 'oh, i get it now.' You wear on people, just like the mad conditioning and propaganda by the media. People start to come around after they see evidence to support continuous claims.

why not?

maybe the really passionate ones might want to fight to the death, but what is wrong with actually listening to someones argument and agreeing with it

it's this simplistic, dualistic liberals vs COnservatives - you're either for us or against us mentality that makes it really easy for people like Bush

stinky · Post by **stinky** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:38 am

there are some that may accept things that way, but i just think it's more realistic to look at like a cloud break.. something that gets seperated gradually.. realistically, i just think that's how people usually accept things, gradually, as evidence prevails....

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:11 am

stinky wrote:there are some that may accept things that way, but i just think it's more realistic to look at like a cloud break.. something that gets seperated gradually.. realistically, i just think that's how people usually accept things, gradually, as evidence prevails....

I see what you mean - I read it differently first

dj superflat · Post by **dj superflat** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:42 am

i don't think it's so much about evidence wearing away at people's misconceptions over time, so much as the people themselves changing over time, having new experiences that change their world view and make them open to positions they previously opposed.

i say this because it's hard to have real evidence on policy issues, since we can't run the counterfactual world in which we don't invade iraq or taxes are 50% or whatever. put another way, on many, many policy issues, there's a nobel prize winner saying one thing in the NY times whilst a nobel prize winner in the WSJ says the opposite. both cite what looks to be reliable evidence, both have plausible analyses (and i think both are operating in good faith). so it's hard to see that it's an argument where reason provides a conclusive answer. which, to me, means its often changes in people that result in changed positions. don't get me wrong -- some things are discovered or proven, and people eventually come around to believing in evolution or whatever. politics doesn't really seem like that, though.

(i do recall one time i read something that actually changed my position on something (which animals we can eat), though it didn't result in any radical change in my life, so i grant sudden conversion is possible, even if unlikely.)

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:11 am

hambone1 wrote:Curious how you omitted quoting the rest of my post...

Hey, just trying to save space, I'm certainly not trying to make you look bad, and I do not think you are a fool. I just think it's hypocritical to say that anybody who cares more than you do about politics should be more active than you.

What are you doing about it? If you're off to provide humanitarian support to some far-reaching Third World country, or organizing a pro-active lobby against the Iraqi occupation, or running for Congress as a fair alternative to the current administration, I apologize.

Right, once again, why do you assert that anybody with stronger opinions than you on this, or any subject really, must be doing more than you?

But if it's just words, talk is cheap. Black and white.

Right, this is in fact a discussion forum, so yeah we discuss things!:)

Edit: How many of you ARE doing something about politics and the New World Order? What are you doing that makes a difference? Educate me. Or is it just all hot air?

I don't know man, I could say, yeah I was out there when we invaded in downtown Seattle, marching in front with the clergy and other anti war types. Some of my relatives are active socialists, and I vote. within a year I'll be driving bio diesel vehicles that don't rely on gas at all.... but seriously, even writing that down reminds me of the South Park (yes everybody in Seattle is obsessed with SP!), episode where Kyle's dad gets a Hybrid, and becomes so smug he has to move to SF CA...... I really would rather talk about what people think of it all, than try to boost my smug factor thank you.

Honestly though, I really don't understand why those of you that claim to be not interested in political threads READ the political threads, and try to stop the discussion??????? Riddle me that???
hey some DJ thread starts here on a DJ I have little or no interest in, I simply don't comment, and don't bother reading that particular thread.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:16 am

dj superflat wrote:i don't think it's so much about evidence wearing away at people's misconceptions over time, so much as the people themselves changing over time, having new experiences that change their world view and make them open to positions they previously opposed.

Case in point for me is Capital Punishment, as a kid against it simply because my parents were, later I read far too many books on serial killers etc. and was all for it. A couple years ago I read a book by one of the lawyers from the Southern Poverty Law Center, ( really cool organization BTW, they sued the shit out of the KKK, and drove the organization bankrupt!), the man makes a really good case for the total inequality in sentencing when it comes to murder etc.. and I'm not for capital Punishment anymore.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:18 am

M. Bréqs wrote:I blame Clinton's pussy foreign policy. After fleeing Mogadishu like a bitch after we lost seventeen good soldiers, and doing NOTHING to Al-Qaeda after the first WTC bombing, the US proved to the world that it's a soft target. Ever since then, Islamofascists have been encouraged to step up attacks and kill westerners and impose Dhimmi status upon us.

Thanks again, Democrats. I thank our lucky stars that Gore wasn't running the country on 9/11, I couldn't imagine what his response would have been... But if it was anything like other Democratic foreign policy / defence issue fuck-ups, my wife would probably be in a burkah by now.

Yup, Social Darwinist for sure!

Look it up M. Breqs. The father of the modern noise movement Boyd rice, is a social Darwinist. it's not a political party but a stance on politics in general.

BTW, Clinton did bomb a few select Al-Qaeda targets, and the military did kill innocents by mistake, bombed a suspected hide out that turned out to be a regular business etc. The story is the same whatever political party is in power to a certain degree.
Case in point, only a democrat could get NAFTA passed, and only a republican could strike up trade agreements with China.... it's not by mistake that this happens.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:08 am

Social Darwinism gets lumped in with other crap too often in descriptions online, but this one is pretty good.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761 ... inism.html

astronmr20 · Post by **astronmr20** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:13 am

Yes, so many colors.

But...

"it's not easy... being green...."

Ain't no one changing thier mind here, folks.

Anyways, happy 4th.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:06 pm

astronmr20 wrote:Ain't no one changing thier mind here, folks.

Right, you are of course capable of saying that because you can telepathically read everybody's minds?
I find it pretty easy to be green actually.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:46 pm

I got a Nord Lead 1 rack for $80

Got all the knobs replaced and a temp work around to the buttons that don't work

It's all over this track Roman and I are doing

I'm going to get a cheap little drum machine like a Korg, boss or whatever and a nice hardware compressor with side chaining - so I can do what I do in Reason 3 to make the Nord Lead just pump and jam

I might do that today

or I'm going to BarBQ with the homies, work on jams for F1 and Via and play Doom 3

happy 4th of July my fellow Democrats and Republicans and Neo Nazi and Black Muslim and Al Queda and Green Party members

may freedom and speech rule forever except in the case of AIDS, actually super AIDS

one teaspoon of Super AIDS in your butt and you'll be dead in a week.

So remember, there's nothing to be scared of, except Super AIDS

speaking of - what the fuck is the deal with Gay Spousal abuse?

Here's a picture of a Gay man dying of AIDS who gets beat by his "lover" <--- see what happens when you let Christians run the world

glu · Post by **glu** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:01 am

Salam and happy Independance day