Is Hardware Dead? Am I dead? Very off topic...

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:31 am

How the hell did this thread resurface? I think I posted this originally over a year ago! Weird. Thanks for bringing it back to life anyway! And I never did get that damn Sidstation

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:09 am

i sold my hardware and got a tibook. i think alot of it was just being amazed by what u can do with technology these days but i didnt feel as inspired as i did when i used my mpc and other gear. everyone is different and everyone has their own way of working to where its more productive for them. i am in the process of aquiring more hardware (analog) than i ever have. there is just something about having all the knobs and sliders and each piece having its own personality that i really need to create the music i want. some people just need the computer with the software and thats ok to. but what im basically doing is just using logic as a "tape" recorder for all my traditional instruments and effects and live turns my laptop into a new breed of instrument. im much more comfortable working that way. i dont use my computer effects as much anymore so my cpu load is not as high either. i guess my point is everything is preference and there will always be a demand for hardware so im not really counting on it dying out.

astromass · Post by **astromass** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:24 am

hehe, yes, definitely a quirky thread. ever miss scouring pawn shops and used music gear stores for those awesome hardware jems? a lot of pawn shop owners way down south wanna get rid of tr808s and 303s for thirty bucks...
i'm down with live and my tibook, but i do miss my little guys....
anyone ever use a roland s550? simply amazing...
i suggest pairing live with a tiny mixer feeding delay/sampling pedals. it adds a lot of that hardware feel and functioon, and u can still haul yer rig on the subways and shit.
peace to you all, mates, happy holidays!

Credo · Post by **Credo** » Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:52 am

Just a thought...

Isnt it the midi cabeling and syncing that becomes the obstacle when using the computer? I think there is some freedome geting rid of all tah when using Live. Im glad there is no midi support (ok, kill me)

This makes it easier to plug in your old analogues and go with the vibes.

C

skiptracer · Post by **skiptracer** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:28 am

i'm only 14 and i started with software and have been quite productive untill i got an sk1. now whenever i play with my sk1 its like a dream and software is a huge headache. so now i'm getting an electribe es1 and a micromod so i can have some hardware to mess around with and i'm hoping this will get me motivated. i'll still be recording and mixing in live though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 2:58 am

dirtystudios wrote:i used to be a big, fat gearwhore. then i got's me a tibook. while i will agree that having gear and knobs and stuff lying haphazardly around my apartment made for some fun twiddling, the ability to have everything right with me at all times is fuckin neat. i can go sit anywhere and be inspired, or if insipration hits me unexpectedly i have everything i need to get a tune going. i don't think i'll ever go back to having tons of stuff. now if only they could make the oxygen 8 thinner...

k

what a crock of shit.

i'm getting very annoyed with software these days. between upgrades, troubleshooting, dead computers, those bastards at apple, incompatabilities, freak cpu spikes, that smug sonofabitch os x, crashes and lost data, i haven't been able to accomplish anything even remotely resembling composition in two months.

i was spoiled with hardware. software tends to offer more flexibilty, but when i was hardware only, it just worked, and it worked just about every time. when i turned on my sp-808, nord and qy-70, 999 times out of 1000, everything would boot up and play nice without a hitch. i mean, sometimes something would die, but it would have lasted me years without any hassles. computers eventually die to, but it seems to happen a lot sooner, and i have to battle to keep it running from day one.

i feel like i'm drowning in a sea of computer maintenance. sometimes i just want to sell it all off and just play my sax instead.

i'm going to build a pc and see if i can actually make some music, but if not, i don't what i'm going to do.

k

dirtystudios · Post by **dirtystudios** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:00 am

oh...that was me not looged in...fucking computers...

k

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:51 am

That's one good thing oing for the PC. You get the option of building it from components that YOU choose from a huge array of manufacturers all competing to outdo each other and offer more for less (and sometimes succeeding). More pressure form more users to get drivers sorted out, application bugs/anomolies fixed, plethora of choices and with some homework on components (and often saving money into the bargain) a rock solid setup for music CAN be achieved.

I personally haven't looked back since basing a system on Soundscape Mixtreme hardware. Rock solid drivers, 16 I/O, upgrade path for A/D D/A converters, a PROPER bussing/mixer scheme, plugins that can be monitored with ZERO (well 2 samples) latency from a live input. Hooked to a digital mixer that doubles as a MIDI controller unit things at last WORK! I haven't had to "update" the driver for XP for 2 years, it was written correctly in the first place with ASIO solid at 2ms on a 2.2Ghz machine all rackmounted up.

Switch on, use a playground that works, switch off. Simple.

nicolix1 · Post by **nicolix1** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 7:37 am

music whitout hardware is like telefonsex.. m.f.g lix

www.klangkraftwelten.de

sixella · Post by **sixella** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:48 am

I have to say, I'm curious as to why mac is still thought of as the 'professional' choice and is so much more expensive when look at this forum, along with many others and it's always the mac guys who are having the problems. I recently considered going to mac because there are some cool apps out there which are mac only, but decided against it because of all the problems.

Can someone explain why mac is supposed to be so good to justify the price?

Steve Jobs · Post by **Steve Jobs** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:36 am

Because when you have no problems, you will marry your mac. Very sexy lumps of plastic.

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:02 pm

sixella wrote:Can someone explain why mac is supposed to be so good to justify the price?

Can someone explain why PC zealots keep saying Macs are more expensive when a web comparison shows that it isn't true?

Or does cost not have anything to do with your question and you're just trying to rationalize trashing other people's choices?

Or should I once again quote a long list of Windows users reporting and asking for help with Windows-specific problems in the Ableton forums?

Maybe that would tell people that Windows is not such a hot shit platform for music after all? Would that be a reasonable conclusion to make? Or perhaps it would indicate there are other legitimate reasons people buy a Mac?

Something for you to think about, so give yourself a second or two of reflection before you respond,

-Alex

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:39 pm

Oh dear. You've stirred Alex, the man that knows everything about everything now.

Alex. If you can't work out how to build a PC that is solid, with a good motherboard, with good components, with good drivers, that absolutely pisses on a G5 in both terms of speed and cost then you're not even remotely as well informed on this subject as you would like to think that you are.

Cost isn't anywhere near a good reason to go Apple with audio. Good design is maybe, a nice operating system (and OSX sure is that) maybe but reliability over a well built and setup PC with good components? Naaaa. Because it is a better price/performance ratio? Naaaaa, pull the other one.

You like Macs and fine them reliable and that's cool. Other people find the same with their PC setups and that's also cool. So let's cut the crap and the lame Dell examples, you can build a PC (can't do that with a Mac bud) that is way better than the Dells at much lower cost. Apples with apples eh, oh wise one?

GUEST · Post by **GUEST** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 4:43 pm

Oh, that was me by the way. So you don't start moaning about guests who don't log in.

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:24 pm

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear. You've stirred Alex, the man that knows everything about everything now.

I'm sorry, what exactly does this have to do with the thread?

Maybe there are some Windows zealots here who are know-it-alls -- maybe you're a know-it-all, apparently:

Anonymous wrote:Alex. If you can't work out how to build a PC that is solid, with a good motherboard, with good components, with good drivers, that absolutely pisses on a G5 in both terms of speed and cost then you're not even remotely as well informed on this subject as you would like to think that you are.

Gee, is this a music forum or an overclocking forum? I thought I came here to make music, not build my my own PC with subrate parts and no warranty. My mistake, I guess.

Anonymous wrote:Cost isn't anywhere near a good reason to go Apple with audio.

Apparently not a good reason for choosing Windows, either. And I when do compare Windows PCs with Apples, let's not stop at Dell. It gets worse: how about Sony?

Anonymous wrote:Good design is maybe, a nice operating system (and OSX sure is that) maybe but reliability over a well built and setup PC with good components? Naaaa. Because it is a better price/performance ratio? Naaaaa, pull the other one.

If you really want to compare "apples with apples" then compare a factory-built Windows PC with a factory-built Apple. Any other cost comparison basis is full of shit.

I can build a dual 1.4 GHz G4 for around $800. That's $200-300 for a used G4 shell and another $500 for a processor daughtercard. If I wanted to, I could prop that up as an example of why Macs are cheaper than PCs.

If this scenario sounds vaguely familiar, it is because it is the same bullshit PC zealots have been peddling to try to rationalize their choice.

It's always the same pitiful whining from the PC crowd:

"Macs are too expensive"
"Macs are too elitist"
"Macs have too many problems"
"Macs just sit there and look pretty"
"Macs are too hot/too cold/blah blah blah"

It's all garbage, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together can do his own research and reach pretty much the same conclusions I have. Basically, Macs cost about the same as a PC, feature for feature, and they are as reliable if not more so than PCs.

You want to build your own, go right ahead, but don't crowd this forum with your incessant whinging when things go badly and component X doesn't work with component Y, and we have to listen to your endless tirades against Mac users as a result of your penny pinching.

-Alex

Is Hardware Dead? Am I dead? Very off topic...

Night of the Living Thread?

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hard and soft.. great together