this is all over the news
another google news find
http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/magic_mushroom.shtml
quote:
Editor's note: John Hopkins researchers said people who used Psilocybin – a non-addictive hallucinogenic compound commonly found in the Psilocybe family of mushrooms known as psychedelic mushrooms or magic mushroom experienced "mystical" sensations and "many of them still felt unusually happy months later," as healthday reported.
and:
What are the risks?
Use of psilocybin is associated with negative physical and psychological consequences. The physical effects, which appear within 20 minutes of ingestion and last approximately 6 hours, include nausea, vomiting, muscle weakness, drowsiness, and lack of coordination. While there is no evidence that users may become physically dependent on psilocybin, tolerance for the drug does develop when it is ingested continuously over a short period of time.
The psychological consequences of psilocybin use include hallucinations and an inability to discern fantasy from reality. Panic reactions and psychosis also may occur, particularly if a user ingests a large dose.
In addition to the risks associated with ingestion of psilocybin, individuals who seek to abuse psilocybin mushrooms also risk poisoning if one of the many varieties of poisonous mushrooms is incorrectly identified as a psilocybin mushroom.
psilocybin's mystical properties scientifically confirmed
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noisetonepause
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What exactly is an expanded mind? I have spent some time in psychiatric emergency wards and even if I'd just crawled back down from a tall building, ten minutes with someone on 'mind expanded drugs' was enough to make me feel like the sanest kid in the world.
And what the fuck is scientific about giving a bunch of people drugs and having them describe the experience as 'mystical'? That doesn't prove anything about the experience. It just proves that you can bend the mind out of shape and doing so makes you see the world in a different way. THERE IS NOTHING REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT THIS CONCLUSION (not in my book, anyways, but then my book is mostly Indian). The mind itself is a sensory organ, nothing more. You put a patch over your one eye, your perception of depth changes. You cover a camera lense with red plastic, you seemingly change the colours of the world... Big fucking deal. No amount of coloured plastic will give you a picture of God.
I have to agree with Conny. If you want to try something heavy, go for yoga (with a proper teacher). Or sleep deprivation (you can get great out of body experience on sleep dep). Or starvation/dehydration. You don't need much to bend your mind out of shape and have a laugh which is all well and good. But God is not inside your head even if eating mushrooms makes you think that.
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And what the fuck is scientific about giving a bunch of people drugs and having them describe the experience as 'mystical'? That doesn't prove anything about the experience. It just proves that you can bend the mind out of shape and doing so makes you see the world in a different way. THERE IS NOTHING REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT THIS CONCLUSION (not in my book, anyways, but then my book is mostly Indian). The mind itself is a sensory organ, nothing more. You put a patch over your one eye, your perception of depth changes. You cover a camera lense with red plastic, you seemingly change the colours of the world... Big fucking deal. No amount of coloured plastic will give you a picture of God.
I have to agree with Conny. If you want to try something heavy, go for yoga (with a proper teacher). Or sleep deprivation (you can get great out of body experience on sleep dep). Or starvation/dehydration. You don't need much to bend your mind out of shape and have a laugh which is all well and good. But God is not inside your head even if eating mushrooms makes you think that.
-Paws
Suit #1: I mean, have you got any insight as to why a bright boy like this would jeopardize the lives of millions?
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.
finally, science is catching up with the program
viva la mushrooms!
to each is own. if mushies or other psychedelics are not your thing then fine they do not need to be. you can tell by the condition of our home planet and the state of mind the masses are in that mushies are not most peoples thing. but let us who do enjoy working with these plant allies in the privacy of our homes and the serenity of nature do our work. why this is so threatining to so many people is just ridiculous. it reminds me of a quote tim leary once said; " psychedelics occasionaly cause psychotic behavior in those who have not tried them"
these plant and fungi teachers have shown me through the years what i believe is the right way to live and made me very much who i am today and i am proud of that.
as with anything you do in life, be safe if you sail off into the deep sea and do some diving.
blessings
ddas
viva la mushrooms!
to each is own. if mushies or other psychedelics are not your thing then fine they do not need to be. you can tell by the condition of our home planet and the state of mind the masses are in that mushies are not most peoples thing. but let us who do enjoy working with these plant allies in the privacy of our homes and the serenity of nature do our work. why this is so threatining to so many people is just ridiculous. it reminds me of a quote tim leary once said; " psychedelics occasionaly cause psychotic behavior in those who have not tried them"
these plant and fungi teachers have shown me through the years what i believe is the right way to live and made me very much who i am today and i am proud of that.
as with anything you do in life, be safe if you sail off into the deep sea and do some diving.
blessings
ddas
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I was wondering exactly the same thing: what the hell is meant by 'expanded mind'? Pretty scientific indeed.noisetonepause wrote:What exactly is an expanded mind? I have spent some time in psychiatric emergency wards and even if I'd just crawled back down from a tall building, ten minutes with someone on 'mind expanded drugs' was enough to make me feel like the sanest kid in the world.
And what the fuck is scientific about giving a bunch of people drugs and having them describe the experience as 'mystical'? That doesn't prove anything about the experience. It just proves that you can bend the mind out of shape and doing so makes you see the world in a different way. THERE IS NOTHING REVOLUTIONARY ABOUT THIS CONCLUSION (not in my book, anyways, but then my book is mostly Indian). The mind itself is a sensory organ, nothing more. You put a patch over your one eye, your perception of depth changes. You cover a camera lense with red plastic, you seemingly change the colours of the world... Big fucking deal. No amount of coloured plastic will give you a picture of God.
I have to agree with Conny. If you want to try something heavy, go for yoga (with a proper teacher). Or sleep deprivation (you can get great out of body experience on sleep dep). Or starvation/dehydration. You don't need much to bend your mind out of shape and have a laugh which is all well and good. But God is not inside your head even if eating mushrooms makes you think that.
-Paws
I agree with most of what you said Paws, except that at the end you suggest alternatives which color the lens just the same (except yoga-which is obviously far healthier). As far as mind-bending, sleep-dep, fasting, whatever; I say pick your poison, and perceive what you will.... or not.
grb
P.S. I do like drugs sometimes (this summer has actually been named "summer of the mushroom" in my circle of friends), and I certainly like the drink, but I personally find something just as "mystical" in long periods of complete sobriety (many months at a time), as any drug trip.
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the fact that similar states can be achieved without drugs does not invalidate the state sometimes produced by the drug.
What is the difference between someone who believes they have had a spiritual experience and someone who really has a spiritual experience? Hmm, well since spiritual experiences deal with the ineffable, i'm not sure how one could say.
As far as i can tell, the study wasn't entirely about the spiritual aspect of it, although that makes good news so that's what the headlines are. It seems to me that the study was about all of the effects on the body and mind. Determining saftey and possibility for future research. I think the most promising avenues of further study are in treatment of addiction or possibly depression.
.lm.
What is the difference between someone who believes they have had a spiritual experience and someone who really has a spiritual experience? Hmm, well since spiritual experiences deal with the ineffable, i'm not sure how one could say.
As far as i can tell, the study wasn't entirely about the spiritual aspect of it, although that makes good news so that's what the headlines are. It seems to me that the study was about all of the effects on the body and mind. Determining saftey and possibility for future research. I think the most promising avenues of further study are in treatment of addiction or possibly depression.
.lm.
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err_fatale
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noisetonepause wrote:What exactly is an expanded mind?
alex grey is one of the best interpreters of the psychedelic experience into concrete psychedelic art...
an expanded mind is a mind that is self-aware, or, aware of it's true nature as opposed to a mind that is deluded and covered by the inert material energy.
an expanded mind is a mind that sees stuff like this:
or
etc etc
now, for some, to see the true fabric of the universe is terrifying, but it is what it is. Some simply cannot process the raw data and are best left in ignorance.....asleep.
all I know is I have had some crazy intense dancing, meditational, and musical experiences back in the days on shrooms. I doubt I will ever do psychedelics again. Re-entry is too hard on me nowadays, and I feel that I could most definitely snap if the experience were too intense....
Damn straight. Some people might enjoy 'expanding their mind' by listening to 50 Cent albums, which I really don't understand. But as long as them doing so doesn't affect other people in a negative way then it's fair enough.to each is own. if mushies or other psychedelics are not your thing then fine they do not need to be. but let us who do enjoy working with these plant allies in the privacy of our homes and the serenity of nature do our work.
It could be said that the mind under hallucinogens is not the true mind, but itself a delusion of the material energy of said chemicals, in this discussion, psilocybin.err_fatale wrote: an expanded mind is a mind that is self-aware, or, aware of it's true nature as opposed to a mind that is deluded and covered by the inert material energy.
Hehe. And to think i can just go get these at a shop just over the border 
In Holland they sell doses that a really just enough for the experience.
If you double that portion, you're asking for trouble.
It's as simple as that.
All the people i know who had bad trips or never got out of them, got into that state by overdoing it or mixing with other drugs.
My point is, if they make shrooms legal everywhere. There will actually be more quality control, because you just would buy your favorit brand...
Or go to a well-known shop. You can get counseling in smart shops before you buy anything...
Sleep deprevation, yoga,..... sounds a bit too extreme for a 6 hour state of altered thinking. Just drink a shroom-tea
In Holland they sell doses that a really just enough for the experience.
If you double that portion, you're asking for trouble.
It's as simple as that.
All the people i know who had bad trips or never got out of them, got into that state by overdoing it or mixing with other drugs.
My point is, if they make shrooms legal everywhere. There will actually be more quality control, because you just would buy your favorit brand...
Or go to a well-known shop. You can get counseling in smart shops before you buy anything...
Sleep deprevation, yoga,..... sounds a bit too extreme for a 6 hour state of altered thinking. Just drink a shroom-tea
That's true. It will come down to how you value the state you are in AND that evaluation will be influenced by the state of mind you are in etc...leonard wrote: It could be said that the mind under hallucinogens is not the true mind, but itself a delusion of the material energy of said chemicals, in this discussion, psilocybin.
But that's rather academic I guess.
I honestly don't know for sure why I tend to stick my head into these discussions. I have never done drugs except for one miserable weed experience and with exception for alcohol and nicotine.
But I do take drugs nevertheless every morning, two pills that are prescribed to keep my head over the agony and depression so that the black hole want drown me.
Maybe a mushroom would work even better?!
OK, I want to remove what I said about strong and healthy minds, I don't like that perspective really, it's a Mussolini kind of standpoint, true or not. More of a wish for how living in reality ought to be.
What I maybe dislike is the advocating of using stuff that gets into your synapses och signal system in a way that resembles something like: Eat carrots, good for you stomach.
Those pictures of an expanded mind posted here are by the way in a style I dislike the most. Well, that's my taste.
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I don't work down the pit 14 hours a day, 365 days a year, nowt to look forward to but my dear mother's roast parsnips and the odd flash of a growler off the missus, to be told by some long-haired Oxbridge nancy boy that I need my mind expanding. Nothing that a bout of hard work wouldn't clear up.
Give me ten pints of stella and I'll show you a religous experience.
Give me ten pints of stella and I'll show you a religous experience.
had some seriously immense times on mushrooms.
only spiritual event i ever had from drugs was on e's - triangular mitsibushis to be exact - proper leaving the body event , was very cool.
though 30 mins later i was chasing a squirrel round a breathing garden with nothing on but a bow tie, a pair of shorts and sunglasses , imaginary old ladies at all the windows waving at me and me pointing at flocks of imaginary crows and the sky was raining red rain.
only spiritual event i ever had from drugs was on e's - triangular mitsibushis to be exact - proper leaving the body event , was very cool.
though 30 mins later i was chasing a squirrel round a breathing garden with nothing on but a bow tie, a pair of shorts and sunglasses , imaginary old ladies at all the windows waving at me and me pointing at flocks of imaginary crows and the sky was raining red rain.
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A mind that is self-aware? Sounds a bit like trying to chew your own teeth to me. I say that your 'expanded' mind is really just deluded in new and more colourful ways.err_fatale wrote:noisetonepause wrote:What exactly is an expanded mind?
alex grey is one of the best interpreters of the psychedelic experience into concrete psychedelic art...
an expanded mind is a mind that is self-aware, or, aware of it's true nature as opposed to a mind that is deluded and covered by the inert material energy.
an expanded mind is a mind that sees stuff like this:
Suit #1: I mean, have you got any insight as to why a bright boy like this would jeopardize the lives of millions?
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.
Suit #2: No, sir, he says he does this sort of thing for fun.
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Hmmm, i`d like to point out actualy that this isn`t the very first study of a psychedelic since the 60s.
Dr Rick Strassman around the mid 90s with DMT, injected into willing people in a scientificaly done study.
He wrote it all up as a book (and papers ect) "DMT The Spirit Molecule"
Excellent read and I highly recommend it
I`d also like to point out to the guy saying about sleep dep, starvation and the rest that DMT is actualy produced by the brains pineal gland, also in the liver and somewhere else too I think and sleep dep, starvation ect all cause the brain to produce more of this chemical, as well as others.
nn-Di-Mythal-Tryptamine, DMT, remember is the strongest psychedelic known to man....
If you don`t wanna take "drugs", kill yourself now simply because you are on a low dose of DMT PERMANANTLY!
Anti-psychotic drugs for instance force a reduction of DMT and these people report that they have major colour loss in the world, they`re emotions arn`t anywhere near as strong too.
Life is a trip
Dr Rick Strassman around the mid 90s with DMT, injected into willing people in a scientificaly done study.
He wrote it all up as a book (and papers ect) "DMT The Spirit Molecule"
Excellent read and I highly recommend it
I`d also like to point out to the guy saying about sleep dep, starvation and the rest that DMT is actualy produced by the brains pineal gland, also in the liver and somewhere else too I think and sleep dep, starvation ect all cause the brain to produce more of this chemical, as well as others.
nn-Di-Mythal-Tryptamine, DMT, remember is the strongest psychedelic known to man....
If you don`t wanna take "drugs", kill yourself now simply because you are on a low dose of DMT PERMANANTLY!
Anti-psychotic drugs for instance force a reduction of DMT and these people report that they have major colour loss in the world, they`re emotions arn`t anywhere near as strong too.
Life is a trip