Give Your Ideas for the New Ableton SAMPLE SICING FEATURE ?

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:26 pm

kennerb, i edited the URL's in my original post

please use the djadamjay.com URL's instead.

thanks.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:36 pm

AdamJay wrote:kennerb, i edited the URL's in my original post

please use the djadamjay.com URL's instead.

thanks.

Oh gawd Adam's trying to spread the love of his jams

it's a shame I buy a lot of them

Now that I'm actually putting music out I should get some promo's

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

All I have is this old ass CD with his hand photocopied on it

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:51 pm

noisetonepause wrote:If only there was a way to easily put multiple simplers on one track...

Interesting...

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:53 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
If only there was a way to easily put multiple simplers on one track...

Oh, there will be. There WILL be.

I think you guys are dangerously close to breaking that non-disclosure law.

JK

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:01 pm

djadonis206 wrote:
All I have is this old ass CD with his hand photocopied on it

that's actually the guy who did the design's hand. Fixion media in Chi did the graphics.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:04 pm

anti-banausic wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
If only there was a way to easily put multiple simplers on one track...
Oh, there will be. There WILL be.

I think you guys are dangerously close to breaking that non-disclosure law.

JK

this is good, it's like a game.

At Xmas I always open my presents rediculously slowly .. infuriating my GF. I do it at 1000 times slower than any normal person. Because that way even some ugly size 2 socks become momentarilly the most exciting thing in the world.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:35 am

I love Live to death, some of you folks know how crazy i am about live but that is bullshit.
i know about every which way to slice shit up in Live and it makes no difference.

if you've never used fl slicer
phatmatick
shortcircuit
guru
intakt
haxor
an mpc
or any other sample slicer then you just don't know.
this is a feature that should be in any sampler from day one, you move quick much quicker than slicing shit up in the arrange view, you slice automaticly by transients, silence, or other parameters.

i want the ability to slice shit up fast, automaticly and manualy, i want to edit the slices individualy , i want to arrange them ... not by dragging around
unless i choose but quickly, I want the function of AmGs One but i want it in live.
i don't want to use a third party slicer, i have them all. I want it in Live and it is such an easy thing to implement in an app that of all the apps on earth should of had in in the first place.
Live is my canvas dream as a samplist, and any die hard samplist needs a fuckin slicer.
point blank.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:45 am

YEAH! and it should write our songs for us too. for free!

I love watching everyone get mad about the new live. when in reality if they don't like it then they don't have to pay for it. whats the use of getting mad.

thats like someone making a new car and saying "would you like to buy it?" and you're like "I can't believe this thing doesn't have xm radio for free, what the hell! I'm mad now cause you're supposed to put more free stuff in your car before you ask me to buy it"

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:50 am

john, i don't mind paying for live, i don't give a fuck about the money. they should of had a slicer in live at version 3.0 at least. I take my music very serously and don't need anyone writing tunes for me, i'm not kanye fukin west, sampling is an artform and it means alot to me. are you familiar with LiveSlice the program?..... do you think its an app with merrit in its purpose
i surely do.

pulsoc · Post by **pulsoc** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:08 am

stale bread wrote:I love Live to death, some of you folks know how crazy i am about live but that is bullshit.
i know about every which way to slice shit up in Live and it makes no difference.

if you've never used fl slicer
phatmatick
shortcircuit
guru
intakt
haxor
an mpc
or any other sample slicer then you just don't know.
this is a feature that should be in any sampler from day one, you move quick much quicker than slicing shit up in the arrange view, you slice automaticly by transients, silence, or other parameters.

i want the ability to slice shit up fast, automaticly and manualy, i want to edit the slices individualy , i want to arrange them ... not by dragging around
unless i choose but quickly, I want the function of AmGs One but i want it in live.
i don't want to use a third party slicer, i have them all. I want it in Live and it is such an easy thing to implement in an app that of all the apps on earth should of had in in the first place.
Live is my canvas dream as a samplist, and any die hard samplist needs a fuckin slicer.
point blank.

Yeah, the more I consider how FL has approached the upgrade path vs. Live the less impressed with Live I get. I may well spring for it in a moment of consumer wad-blowing, but I am more than likely going to start focussing on integrating FL more as a vst and eyeballing an academic version of Reaktor.

$420 for a sampler, samples, and minor structural differences is quite a pisser of an upgrade.

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:22 pm

stale bread wrote:I love Live to death, some of you folks know how crazy i am about live but that is bullshit.
i know about every which way to slice shit up in Live and it makes no difference.

if you've never used fl slicer
phatmatick
shortcircuit
guru
intakt
haxor
an mpc
or any other sample slicer then you just don't know.
this is a feature that should be in any sampler from day one, you move quick much quicker than slicing shit up in the arrange view, you slice automaticly by transients, silence, or other parameters.

i want the ability to slice shit up fast, automaticly and manualy, i want to edit the slices individualy , i want to arrange them ... not by dragging around
unless i choose but quickly, I want the function of AmGs One but i want it in live.
i don't want to use a third party slicer, i have them all. I want it in Live and it is such an easy thing to implement in an app that of all the apps on earth should of had in in the first place.
Live is my canvas dream as a samplist, and any die hard samplist needs a fuckin slicer.
point blank.

...I agree that it would be great to set Warp-Markers like you'd slice a loop using Phatmatic, Intakt, Recycle or whatever, i.e. using a sensitivity slider and deleting the few markers you don't like. But regarding rearranging - have you ever used the sample-offset. I admit, it could be improved visually and only works well for loops with the length of one bar, but it is still much more convenient than dragging midi-notes in your piano-roll. And if you'd want to play the single hits of a loop - dragging the single hits from teh arrangement view to Impulse's slots isn't that much more work than mapping the slices to keys. Sorry, but I don't see your point here...

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:08 pm

Loachm if you don't see my point then you don't see the point of all of the apps i listed in my post, btw you wouldn't drag slices around in the piano roll, you'd drag them around in the slicing view, and you'd probably have a randomize button there also, any way it's not about the draging of slices, most importantly its about the slicing and automatic mapping of slices that could then be effected and triggered albeit much more efficiently and quickly than loading up impulse and dragging slices into it, in addition to that i want to be able to do more to each independant slice than impulse can do anyway. when i say slice, think intakt, Live slice, AMG One, phatmatik, Guru...

it's kind of a surreal experience for me to be on this forum of all forums trying to validate " audio slicing and mapping" as a viable feature, if the props took out the dr rex from reason tomorrow people would be jumping out of planes.
I love you folks never the less though, now it's time for pancakes

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:12 pm

i can see what all y'all are saying, but...
first off, live is not comparable to recycle or phatmatik. sure it can do similar things, but the ease of use of something like phatmatik, guru or an mpc lead in lots of creative directions that live can't venture into yet. so please, stop saying that live is already a slicer! that's like saying simpler is a full blown sampler...it just ain't true. i've done lots of slice-style stuff in live...sample offset, follow actions on tiny clips, moving the start point around in simpler while playing notes...its all fun stuff but doesn't compare to dedicated slicers.
i think the biggest thing no one is mentioning is that if and when ableton get around to making a slice feature/plug in, it'll have tons of new features and abilities that will take it above and beyond everything else that is out there. ableton has consitently delivered on industry standard features, but has always pushed them beyond what other contenders have come up with. for slicing i've moved from recycle/dr.rex on to phatmatik and now to an mpc1000, and i would still love to see ableton's take on the concept. i'm sure they'll do something good with it. just imagine a 'convert warp markers to slices' feature, where every slice is then controlled by a midi note, with full envelope support for volume, filter, pitch, etc. etc. there are a million directions that concept could go, and creatively it would be huge. i agree that's its sort of strange that a slicer is missing from live, but i'm not complaining because they've given me plenty of other fun things to do that i hadn't thought of. plus i think if you look at the development path, that how they will implement a slicer needed a few other features first...like the new sampler.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:25 pm

scientist wrote:i can see what all y'all are saying, but...
first off, live is not comparable to recycle or phatmatik. sure it can do similar things, but the ease of use of something like phatmatik, guru or an mpc lead in lots of creative directions that live can't venture into yet. so please, stop saying that live is already a slicer! that's like saying simpler is a full blown sampler...it just ain't true. i've done lots of slice-style stuff in live...sample offset, follow actions on tiny clips, moving the start point around in simpler while playing notes...its all fun stuff but doesn't compare to dedicated slicers.
i think the biggest thing no one is mentioning is that if and when ableton get around to making a slice feature/plug in, it'll have tons of new features and abilities that will take it above and beyond everything else that is out there. ableton has consitently delivered on industry standard features, but has always pushed them beyond what other contenders have come up with. for slicing i've moved from recycle/dr.rex on to phatmatik and now to an mpc1000, and i would still love to see ableton's take on the concept. i'm sure they'll do something good with it. just imagine a 'convert warp markers to slices' feature, where every slice is then controlled by a midi note, with full envelope support for volume, filter, pitch, etc. etc. there are a million directions that concept could go, and creatively it would be huge. i agree that's its sort of strange that a slicer is missing from live, but i'm not complaining because they've given me plenty of other fun things to do that i hadn't thought of. plus i think if you look at the development path, that how they will implement a slicer needed a few other features first...like the new sampler.

it took a scientist to get it

, thank you.

Live is incredible, i don't know why folks are complaining about the money, I would have paid twice the price for Live 5 cause it is without a doubt worth it..... but this slicing shit...... tsk tsk tsk

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:30 pm

scientist wrote:i can see what all y'all are saying, but...
first off, live is not comparable to recycle or phatmatik. sure it can do similar things, but the ease of use of something like phatmatik, guru or an mpc lead in lots of creative directions that live can't venture into yet. so please, stop saying that live is already a slicer! that's like saying simpler is a full blown sampler...it just ain't true. i've done lots of slice-style stuff in live...sample offset, follow actions on tiny clips, moving the start point around in simpler while playing notes...its all fun stuff but doesn't compare to dedicated slicers.
i think the biggest thing no one is mentioning is that if and when ableton get around to making a slice feature/plug in, it'll have tons of new features and abilities that will take it above and beyond everything else that is out there. ableton has consitently delivered on industry standard features, but has always pushed them beyond what other contenders have come up with. for slicing i've moved from recycle/dr.rex on to phatmatik and now to an mpc1000, and i would still love to see ableton's take on the concept. i'm sure they'll do something good with it. just imagine a 'convert warp markers to slices' feature, where every slice is then controlled by a midi note, with full envelope support for volume, filter, pitch, etc. etc. there are a million directions that concept could go, and creatively it would be huge. i agree that's its sort of strange that a slicer is missing from live, but i'm not complaining because they've given me plenty of other fun things to do that i hadn't thought of. plus i think if you look at the development path, that how they will implement a slicer needed a few other features first...like the new sampler.

i think you have hit the nail on the head.

see if they released all the minor things people want immediately they probably wouldnt be able to make it in a way thats special or anything.

but by creating rich unique tools, then adding those features in, you can create those minor features in ways that intergrate with the richer environment as opposed to a vanilla implementation.