Dual Screen / Sidechaining compression

chrislake · Post by **chrislake** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:13 pm

This is all it would take for me personally to call this a perfect update. Very excited about purchasing this upgrade.

Good work Ableton, if you do see fit, please squeeze this into a future update. I only use this as a DAW and I have one screen going to waste waiting for your update

Sidechaining would just make me smile even more

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sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:21 pm

g'day mate,

you didn't make a track called changes by any chance did ya?

also ive been bugging them to see if theyre able to include the dual screen thing in at the last minute, im not hopeful but if they do id be one happy camper!

also sidechaining is possible with Live 6's routing, but no Ableton fx have sidechaining. I use Voxengo Crunchessor because it has a rather neutral sound and I can go for compression for compression sakes and color the sound later.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:49 pm

I really don't understand how just because Live's instruments don't incorporate sidechaining people think it can't be done. A little quick to judge? (I do it all the time too

)

I'll tell you what I think would be sweet: if their was some sidechaining action that could interact with the sampler. That would could be top-modern, satiate the unbelieving vocoder-fiends, and, well, with all of Henke's newfangled filter integration, I am sure that this could be a slamming add on...

...of course I was convinced after Operator that a vocoder was next. so I still would not be suprised if it happens in the future...

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:51 pm

No sidechain,
Live six has none of this and theres a lot more but im waiting for the shit to die down before I post my concerns.
No Sidechain
No groove quantise
No Safe solo#No group solo
No grouping of tracks of any kind (Amazingly)

I would really love to talk with the programmers at Ableton. probably none of those hacks have made music in their life. If they had those features that have been requested thousands of times would have been in there.

I cant understand this company. They got shitloads of requests for the above.

ILTK · Post by **ILTK** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:51 pm

^yep, voxengo chrunchessor is great, works like a charm in Live, cheap to.

I'm a bit miffed about no dual monitor support to, would be nice to use my 2nd 21" screen for something else than opening VSTs on and the cat sleeping on it because it's so nice and warm, session on my main screen and arrangement on 2nd would rock.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:55 pm

mercyplease wrote:No sidechain,
Live six has none of this and theres a lot more but im waiting for the shit to die down before I post my concerns.
No Sidechain
No groove quantise
No Safe solo#No group solo
No grouping of tracks of any kind (Amazingly)

I would really love to talk with the programmers at Ableton. probably none of those hacks have made music in their life. If they had those features that have been requested thousands of times would have been in there.

I cant understand this company. They got shitloads of requests for the above.

Sidechain works in Live 5 afaik. check the little list of tips and tricks
You can have groups of tracks. Save them as .als files. And recall their routing in Live 6.
Live 6's routing can be so complex that safe solo doesn't make sense. (every effect has 3 audio outputs)
You can map one midi button to multiple solo knobs.

No groove quantize though. But there are midi stretch markers.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:19 pm

hoffman2k wrote:No groove quantize though. But there are midi stretch markers.

It's these little guys man! I love 'em! Sweet.

stealth1 · Post by **stealth1** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:28 pm

Hi,

whats the advantage of sidechaining?

thnks

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:32 pm

stealth1 wrote:Hi,

whats the advantage of sidechaining?

thnks

sidechaining is a feature many effects can have allowing elements of the effect to be modulated by the amplitude of a sound source.

most common use in electronic music is 'ducking' which is when the kick drum triggers a compressor on a bassline making the bass sound go quiet at the moments which the drumkick sound is audible.

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:40 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
mercyplease wrote:No sidechain,
Live six has none of this and theres a lot more but im waiting for the shit to die down before I post my concerns.
No Sidechain
No groove quantise
No Safe solo#No group solo
No grouping of tracks of any kind (Amazingly)

I would really love to talk with the programmers at Ableton. probably none of those hacks have made music in their life. If they had those features that have been requested thousands of times would have been in there.

I cant understand this company. They got shitloads of requests for the above.
Sidechain works in Live 5 afaik. check the little list of tips and tricks
You can have groups of tracks. Save them as .als files. And recall their routing in Live 6.
Live 6's routing can be so complex that safe solo doesn't make sense. (every effect has 3 audio outputs)
You can map one midi button to multiple solo knobs.

No groove quantize though. But there are midi stretch markers.

man your a fucking idiot. SAFE SOLO DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

When you have actually written and mixed a song then you can tell me something doesnt make sense. I know your just a dope smoking loser that sits there every day and night messing about with a couple of monoscape sound bytes. Composing and mixing is a completely different ball game but how would you know.

You have a dig at the useless groove quantise. Again this shows you are a souless belgian eurocrat who doesnt make music at all. Can you imagine R+_B without groove. You say we should use a warp marker to adjust the groove. Oh sure for random and creative killing moments Ill just start messing about with warp markers and will get unpredictable results and shitty sound. Thats great
Someone told me once before that The talentless have the loudest voices in the music industry. I didnt believe this for many years but he was right and this place is full of no hopers with large post counts. Fucks sake people if these guys were so good they would never have the time to poost on here so much. Its fucking obvious.

Hoffman, fuck of you amateur.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:45 pm

no program will ever impliment a last minute feature while they are in alpha testing. the features are done... now they are debugging. you can't bug them for a last minute feature. it's not easy to just throw something in no matter how small you think it is.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:46 pm

mercyplease wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
mercyplease wrote:No sidechain,
Live six has none of this and theres a lot more but im waiting for the shit to die down before I post my concerns.
No Sidechain
No groove quantise
No Safe solo#No group solo
No grouping of tracks of any kind (Amazingly)

I would really love to talk with the programmers at Ableton. probably none of those hacks have made music in their life. If they had those features that have been requested thousands of times would have been in there.

I cant understand this company. They got shitloads of requests for the above.
Sidechain works in Live 5 afaik. check the little list of tips and tricks
You can have groups of tracks. Save them as .als files. And recall their routing in Live 6.
Live 6's routing can be so complex that safe solo doesn't make sense. (every effect has 3 audio outputs)
You can map one midi button to multiple solo knobs.

No groove quantize though. But there are midi stretch markers.
man your a fucking idiot. SAFE SOLO DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

When you have actually written and mixed a song then you can tell me something doesnt make sense. I know your just a dope smoking loser that sits there every day and night messing about with a couple of monoscape sound bytes. Composing and mixing is a completely different ball game but how would you know.

You have a dig at the useless groove quantise. Again this shows you are a souless belgian eurocrat who doesnt make music at all. Can you imagine R+_B without groove. You say we should use a warp marker to adjust the groove. Oh sure for random and creative killing moments Ill just start messing about with warp markers and will get unpredictable results and shitty sound. Thats great
Someone told me once before that The talentless have the loudest voices in the music industry. I didnt believe this for many years but he was right and this place is full of no hopers with large post counts. Fucks sake people if these guys were so good they would never have the time to poost on here so much. Its fucking obvious.

Hoffman, fuck of you amateur.

Ehm. I didn't have a go a groove quantize. I just noted that you can stretch midi sequences like audio now.

And as for the solo in place. If you don't get, then you don't get it....
It works, but YOU have to specify which solo buttons work together. Live cant do that for you, because there are infinite ways to route audio in Live.

Cool down. Relax. And Yes, i am an amateur with too much time on my hands...
I'm pretty good at breaking stuff though

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:55 pm

mercyplease wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
mercyplease wrote:No sidechain,
Live six has none of this and theres a lot more but im waiting for the shit to die down before I post my concerns.
No Sidechain
No groove quantise
No Safe solo#No group solo
No grouping of tracks of any kind (Amazingly)

I would really love to talk with the programmers at Ableton. probably none of those hacks have made music in their life. If they had those features that have been requested thousands of times would have been in there.

I cant understand this company. They got shitloads of requests for the above.
Sidechain works in Live 5 afaik. check the little list of tips and tricks
You can have groups of tracks. Save them as .als files. And recall their routing in Live 6.
Live 6's routing can be so complex that safe solo doesn't make sense. (every effect has 3 audio outputs)
You can map one midi button to multiple solo knobs.

No groove quantize though. But there are midi stretch markers.
man your a fucking idiot. SAFE SOLO DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

When you have actually written and mixed a song then you can tell me something doesnt make sense. I know your just a dope smoking loser that sits there every day and night messing about with a couple of monoscape sound bytes. Composing and mixing is a completely different ball game but how would you know.

You have a dig at the useless groove quantise. Again this shows you are a souless belgian eurocrat who doesnt make music at all. Can you imagine R+_B without groove. You say we should use a warp marker to adjust the groove. Oh sure for random and creative killing moments Ill just start messing about with warp markers and will get unpredictable results and shitty sound. Thats great
Someone told me once before that The talentless have the loudest voices in the music industry. I didnt believe this for many years but he was right and this place is full of no hopers with large post counts. Fucks sake people if these guys were so good they would never have the time to poost on here so much. Its fucking obvious.

Hoffman, fuck of you amateur.

hi mate,

i've made r&b based stuff with L4&5 and I'm sure it will be easier in L6 because despite not having the type of groove quantize you are used to, if you think much about percussion programming and know much about how drummers work, the new midi stretch tool allows someone with a bit of skill to hone in and create push and pull in areas of a midi groove with ease.

yes groove quantize is a handy gimmick for templating grooves, but for people creating new grooves, this tool is the shizzle.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:08 pm

sweetjesus wrote:the new midi stretch tool allows someone with a bit of skill to hone in and create push and pull in areas of a midi groove with ease.

If I need this kind of manipulation I go crazy with copy-paste in the arrange view ->master track->song tempo - works really flippin' well.

alvaro · Post by **alvaro** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:13 pm

Dual screen monitor support would be a great feature, ill never be tired of asking it, please Abletons!!