No fade in/out/crossfade for audio clips in Ableton 6 ?

soundpalace · Post by **soundpalace** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:06 am

hey guys, I've been waiting eagerly to check out v6 but it doesn't look as though the audio side has been updated to include easy to use fade in, fade out and crossfade on audio clips. Since Ableton's site now does mention it is useful as a DAW I'm incredibly surprised this necessary feature was overlooked since it's part of pretty much every single DAW ... even the free ones !

Please correct me if you have seen this feature in Live 6 or share your thoughts.

Komplex · Post by **Komplex** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:41 am

you can easily fade in and out using the clip automation...

soundpalace · Post by **soundpalace** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:07 am

but don't you have to draw the curve ? In Cubase I just click and drag and my fade out and fade in can be created & adjusted. Similar with other hosts too I must admit.

It doesn't appear that Live is DAW material just yet, but I'm keeping an eye on it and hoping it will be soon

Komplex · Post by **Komplex** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:51 am

check your manual again.

you can set points and drag them around, or just fade in and out Live

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:52 am

Lets hope that Live will never be the thing that qualifies as a DAW

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:52 am

yeah cause apparently daws are supposed to do things for you. clicking 2 dots on a line and moving one of them to make a fade is way too much work and we'll never get anything done with that kind of "show stopper"

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:03 am

I have admit i'd like to see crossfades between two clips on one track in arrange view.

Silicon/Silicium · Post by **Silicon/Silicium** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:20 am

Lets hope that Live will never be the thing that qualifies as a DAW

hey, I totally agree, I cannot agree more, on the other hand, live try to go step by step in the space of the big dinosaurus with more and more "studio oriented" functionnality.

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:35 am

noisetonepause wrote: i'd like to see crossfades between two clips on one track in arrange view.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:50 am

How many actions can you do as a musician untill you enter into the whole "studio functionality" thing?

Yes, Live needs stuff like crossfades for the arranger. But that is just obvious practical stuff.
We don't need scoring tools or stuff like that....

Once you really see Live 6 for what it is, stuff like sample editors will be starting to collect dust. Because Ableton just allowed us to do real time editing, deep-freeze the track and load up the project manager to sort out your recordings.

It's a bliss for people like me, who record a shitload of stuff with the session view.

I guess the main point i'm trying to make here is: Ableton can redefine how a DAW is supposed to be.
While DAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation... It's almost synonymous to 'Bloated Software'.

I can imagine that coming from another 'DAW' might make look Live underpowered. But it's really just all a matter of thinking outside the DAW-Box.

I like Live because it's a Live music production tool + it actually allows you to play out Live. The only 'DAW' even remotely capable of that is digital performer (which i haven't touched in years).

Also one last thing. I was attracted to Live because it looked like operating a groovebox. Which is something i like. You turn it on and start recording ideas....
With Live 6, this will probably even be more so...

Silicon/Silicium · Post by **Silicon/Silicium** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:01 am

agree, I recorded some bands with life 4 but when you go into serious job, eg editing a complete track of hit hat with replacing some hits, silencing some zones, etc... you can do that in live but it can really become a pain.
same if you go into overdub, you ll have a lot of track to create, effects to move, some bussing to do. not so productive.
of course it's a pleasure to record with live, and even better to record jam and create songs from them, like a breeze, but when you go into editing job, well, it's not impossible, it's just far easier to work with "bloated software" as you call them

same goes for automation visualisation, it can become a pain in live, and be far more fluid in others "daw".

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:04 am

Silicon/Silicium wrote:agree, I recorded some bands with life 4 but when you go into serious job, eg editing a complete track of hit hat with replacing some hits, silencing some zones, etc... you can do that in live but it can really become a pain.
same if you go into overdub, you ll have a lot of track to create, effects to move, some bussing to do. not so productive.
of course it's a pleasure to record with live, and even better to record jam and create songs from them, like a breeze, but when you go into editing job, well, it's not impossible, it's just far easier to work with "bloated software" as you call them
same goes for automation visualisation, it can become a pain in live, and be far more fluid in others "daw".

Yeah. But live has that whole one window thing going for itself.
It's not impossible to add more functionality to that. It's just very very hard

soundpalace · Post by **soundpalace** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:55 am

hey guys, thanks for all the responses.

I can tell a few people are annoyed by my comments, that wasn't my intention, sorry if I somehow offended you.

I'll give you a scenario that I do not believe can be handled with live.

I have recorded 5 vocal takes and wish to perform the same fade and and fade out operation on all of them.

In Cubase, I would select the lot, click on the Fade In point and drag right, then click on the Fade Out point and drag left and I'm all done. Is there a way to do this for multiple clips in Live ?

When working with huge amounts of audio, it is indeed important to have this freedom and speed, especially when you have a client who is paying you by the hour.

Please share your thoughts

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:42 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:yeah cause apparently daws are supposed to do things for you. clicking 2 dots on a line and moving one of them to make a fade is way too much work and we'll never get anything done with that kind of "show stopper"

ffs , read and understand

Cubase clip crossfade:
two clips on the same track (with effects, eq etc on track)
drag second clip start over first clip end
press X

the two clips are now crossfaded in Cubase

live crossfade
two clips on the same track (with effects, eq etc on track)
make two new audio tracks
copy second clip onto one audio track
copy all eq and effects onto third audio track
route tracks one and 2 to track 3
open volume envelope on track one, draw volume fade out
open volume envelope on track two draw volume fade in

the two clips are now crossfaded in Live

if you are blinded by corporate buttcheeks you may decide that the second list is actually better. Personally I prefer the first way.

I'm not sure exactly how that first way is "bloated"

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:33 pm

soundpalace wrote:hey guys, thanks for all the responses.

I can tell a few people are annoyed by my comments, that wasn't my intention, sorry if I somehow offended you.

I'll give you a scenario that I do not believe can be handled with live.

I have recorded 5 vocal takes and wish to perform the same fade and and fade out operation on all of them.

In Cubase, I would select the lot, click on the Fade In point and drag right, then click on the Fade Out point and drag left and I'm all done. Is there a way to do this for multiple clips in Live ?

When working with huge amounts of audio, it is indeed important to have this freedom and speed, especially when you have a client who is paying you by the hour.

Please share your thoughts
Fots

try drawing it once and then copy/pasting the envelope

if there's now multitrack warping, it's not such a stretch to have multitrack envelope editing. maybe you can????

you might also consider recording the automation, using a fader or other controller. especially because now it will be possible to assign all 5 track volumes to a single controller