No New DJ Tools????

thx1138 · Post by **thx1138** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:14 pm

Josh is on the money IMO!

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:24 pm

thx1138 wrote:Josh is on the money IMO!

question is: can they enable mapping for this as easily as enabling any other mapping on the interface

because the braces are movable. if its more difficult, thats understandable and we can only hope they figure out the best way to do it

if its not ... then this is a big feature gap that works against taking full advantage of a whats already there - and really should be addressed by the full release IMO
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hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:27 pm

supster wrote:
hambone1 wrote:I disagree. There's HUGE potential for innovative DJs that can think 'outside the box'. Now even more so with 6 and Sampler, macros, etc.
no .. hambone you need to follow the reasoning of what im saying all the way through - and not reduce it to assume that we are saying "Live 6 has no potential for innovation by DJs"

You and others have tons of valid points.

My response was to the OP's original post and thread subject.

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:20 pm

hambone1 wrote:
supster wrote:
hambone1 wrote:I disagree. There's HUGE potential for innovative DJs that can think 'outside the box'. Now even more so with 6 and Sampler, macros, etc.
no .. hambone you need to follow the reasoning of what im saying all the way through - and not reduce it to assume that we are saying "Live 6 has no potential for innovation by DJs"
You and others have tons of vallid points.

My response was to the OP's original post and thread subject.

ok cool, i kind of thought so. protecting the turf is all

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djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:27 pm

supster wrote:
Freedom to choose the "right track" for the moment among hundreds or thousands of tracks needs a real preview function that can skip thru the file

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i don't mean this to sound snarky (seriously), but my solution for this is to know my tunes. i know this may sound simplistic, but having djed vinyl for 11 years, i don't have a "preview" function on my record box. i have to rely on my knowledge of the music i have, and it's worked well for me.

i have to run thru the crate, grab a record i think will work, and drop it on the deck to check. if it works, great. if not...back 2 the crate.

so my next question is, is ableton djing spoiling djs by allowing them to have more music available and rely less on their instincts and knowledge of their tunes? (i say this half facetiously and half seriously, by the way)

p.s. i also use live for djing, so i don't mean to sound unsympathetic, because i DO see the reason for wanting this function.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:31 pm

djshiva wrote:
i don't mean this to sound snarky (seriously), but my solution for this is to know my tunes. i know this may sound simplistic, but having djed vinyl for 11 years, i don't have a "preview" function on my record box. i have to rely on my knowledge of the music i have, and it's worked well for me.

i have to run thru the crate, grab a record i think will work, and drop it on the deck to check. if it works, great. if not...back 2 the crate.

And when doing this, do you listen from the very beginning of the track each time, or needle drop a few places deeper in the record once it's kicking to check it out? Of course you need to know your tunes, but with vinyl you have the option of starting playback anywhere instantly to quickly check a track's compatibility. You can't do this in Live currently without loading all your tunes into the Session view.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 10:40 pm

Tarekith wrote:
djshiva wrote:
i don't mean this to sound snarky (seriously), but my solution for this is to know my tunes. i know this may sound simplistic, but having djed vinyl for 11 years, i don't have a "preview" function on my record box. i have to rely on my knowledge of the music i have, and it's worked well for me.

i have to run thru the crate, grab a record i think will work, and drop it on the deck to check. if it works, great. if not...back 2 the crate.
And when doing this, do you listen from the very beginning of the track each time, or needle drop a few places deeper in the record once it's kicking to check it out? Of course you need to know your tunes, but with vinyl you have the option of starting playback anywhere instantly to quickly check a track's compatibility. You can't do this in Live currently without loading all your tunes into the Session view.

oh totally. like i said, i DO see the reason why people want this function, and it does make sense. not poopooing the needs of those asking for this.

but there is something to be said for knowing your tunes. even if the only option you have is a cue channel, that narrows things down quite a bit and makes the process quicker.

AND, i do have to say...i don't have a turntable at home, so when i load up my box for a particular night from a selection of thousands of tunes, i do so without hearing them at all, based on knowing what i have.

i totally agree the function would be great. i just thought i would throw out the idea that perhaps having hundreds or thousands of tunes accessible at any given time can actually be detrimental to knowing your music inside out. it was more of a philosophical noodling, rather than an objection to the need for a scrub option on previewing.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:09 am

The few times I've DJd out (with Live), I've kept a special cue track. So I'll think of a tune that'll fit, find it in my crate/browse, put it on the cue track/turntable, and try it out on headphones. Works nice.

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:22 am

noisetonepause wrote:The few times I've DJd out (with Live), I've kept a special cue track. So I'll think of a tune that'll fit, find it in my crate/browse, put it on the cue track/turntable, and try it out on headphones. Works nice.

yeh, it would be nice to have a preview like they're saying - I've thought that alot of times - not just for djing tracks either - vocal recordings is a big one as they're usually completely silent until a good few bars in - listening through old recordings would be a million times easier

I'm sure it's on "THE LIST"

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:34 am

I just want a little playback slider that represents the entire length of the recording you are previewing. Then you could just drag the playback marker any where in the file, and playback would start according to the quantize setting as it is now.

Superimpose it over a small waveform display of the file, and I'd be REALLY happy

thx1138 · Post by **thx1138** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:00 am

djshiva wrote:but there is something to be said for knowing your tunes. even if the only option you have is a cue channel, that narrows things down quite a bit and makes the process quicker.

What you gonna do when you got sent 40 tracks the day before the gig and downloaded 20 from producers off ya server on the day

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:05 am

thx1138 wrote:
djshiva wrote:but there is something to be said for knowing your tunes. even if the only option you have is a cue channel, that narrows things down quite a bit and makes the process quicker.
What you gonna do when you got sent 40 tracks the day before the gig and downloaded 20 from producers off ya server on the day

pray...

supster · Post by **supster** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:09 am

supster wrote:
Freedom to choose the "right track" for the moment among hundreds or thousands of tracks needs a real preview function that can skip thru the file
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djshiva wrote:i don't mean this to sound snarky (seriously), but my solution for this is to know my tunes.
well, actually yes ... yes it does

i have to run thru the crate, grab a record i think will work, and drop it on the deck to check. if it works, great. if not...back 2 the crate.

dude: digital files dont have colored sleeves and labels. just text. Live doesnt even have color distinctions to file names in the browser yet.

its totally different trying to scan and read thru all of that, than it is seeing "the yellow record with the cool font on it that would be perfect right now"

so my next question is, is ableton djing spoiling djs by allowing them to have more music available and rely less on their instincts and knowledge of their tunes? (i say this half facetiously and half seriously, by the way)

seriously, i think you are overthinking it if you are serious

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supster · Post by **supster** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:11 am

Tarekith wrote:I just want a little playback slider that represents the entire length of the recording you are previewing. Then you could just drag the playback marker any where in the file, and playback would start according to the quantize setting as it is now.

Superimpose it over a small waveform display of the file, and I'd be REALLY happy

yes, exactly this

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forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:46 am

well, as i said, I want this too and I would be very surprised if it's not on "THE LIST"

guess we just have to keep on banging on about the things we want most and hope there are enough others requesting the same things so they get bumped to the top of "THE LIST"

they have said a few times that they were innundated with requests for video, so for all those little voices round here ATM saying "I would rather they spent that time doing something else" there were obviously more saying "pls give us video"