Live IS a slicer

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:27 pm

try called Sample Offset, an automation envelope parameter under Envelopes - Clip in Clip View.

many Live users have been using it since it was introduced in Live 3. it works well.

you should try it some time.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:56 pm

that helps you rearrange the loop yeah, but that has nothing to do with slicing

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:42 am

Johnisfaster wrote:that helps you rearrange the loop yeah, but that has nothing to do with slicing

volume/pan/fx envelopes + sample offset + grid = SLICE

if its the individual hits you want after the fact... arrange.

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:12 am

AdamJay wrote:volume/pan/fx envelopes + sample offset + grid = SLICE

+ time if you're working on non-linear material

and i'd add

< recycle

plain · Post by **plain** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:29 am

dude..you are smoking crack if you think that is a slicer...i dont have to explain it to you..but it's not a fucking slicer....you need to see waveforms and transients......why are all you beta testers so biased.....

dont post on these boards with your tilted views...

it's not a fucking slicer

plain · Post by **plain** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:33 am

before you post your reply...i just wanna know...have you even used a real slicer before....have you ever sliced up a break..

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:37 am

yea man i used Recycle for 2 years.

but now i use envelopes and arrange to slice instead.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:38 am

i guess i'm just used to rolling my own.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:39 am

and why the hostility? or the profanity?

not getting any?

plain · Post by **plain** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:44 am

because you dont get the point...you dont know what the difference is...

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:45 am

if you *need* a slicer to achieve what you want to do, you're in the wrong game.

.lm.

Actuel · Post by **Actuel** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:54 am

AdamJay wrote:its called Sample Offset, an automation envelope parameter under Envelopes - Clip in Clip View.

many Live users have been using it since it was introduced in Live 3. it works well.

you should try it some time.

inspite of the snooty sarcasm. your points here are true and note worthy Adam. i don' think this is what those who are desiring a slicer have in mind. the Sample Offset capabilities and ability to work with individual hits via Arrange works fine...i have been using these features for a long while. i think folks (including myself) are wanting dedicated solely for optimal slicing. i can't speak for the whole lot of folks wanting a built-in slicer and/or their definition of what that means to them, and you are right to point out 'Sample Offset' as many folks may not know about or have possibly overlooked this great clip feature but its not ideal imo. it works, and for you it more be the 'beez kneez' but for the kind of music i make and many others this just isn't cuttin it (pardon the pun)...so we look to other software (vst's and au's) to do a task that we'd love see Live do.

your post comes off as being really pompous and suggest that if one were to know about this ellustrious pearl of Live wisdom called 'Sample Offset' we'd just see that "hey, its there already...weeee", which for some folks this may be enlightening and would hopefully satisfy their needs.

but many of us this Sample Offset is not ideal, it is not a Slicer and is not what we're asking. ...and we're entitled to that opinion and to asking/desiring that feature.

peace

plain · Post by **plain** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:55 am

who said anything about needing a slicer.....did I?...no......but you know that this isn't a slicer....and all you biased beta testers.....dont try to prove your case against the live 6 upgrade...that's for us to decide...i dont disagree nor agree with your usages of the new features and the limitations......just dont post threads about things that aren't what they are...end of story

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:04 am

I've found the slicer has too limited a range myself - half a bar is nowhere near enough.

Normally any sample with enough beats to chop up is 4 bars or at least 2 bars long, the sample offset only offsets +/-8 beats. I need +/- 64 beats ... quite a jump.
It's alright for minor stuff, quick effects, but I still prefer to chop beats by hand in arrange as I don't ever get a feeling of precise control out of the offset envelope.

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:08 am

Angstrom wrote:I don't ever get a feeling of precise control out of the offset envelope.

Agreed. Maybe I don't have the technique down, but this is not my idea of beat slicing.

p.s. What the hell are you doing up at this hour!

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