Live IS a slicer

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:08 am

plain wrote:who said anything about needing a slicer.....did I?...no......but you know that this isn't a slicer....and all you biased beta testers.....dont try to prove your case against the live 6 upgrade...that's for us to decide...i dont disagree nor agree with your usages of the new features and the limitations......just dont post threads about things that aren't what they are...end of story

you're pissing against the wind mate, trust me.

and its no coincidence ableton didnt give an alpha to any of the critics

did supster get an alpha ? He's the most well spoken of the outspoken critics, and from the posts of his I've read he's got way more technical know-how to be a useful alpha tester. of course, he may not have had the time. and he's not a relentless sycophant. i can solemly say supster calls it how he sees it.

theres at least one alpha tester who didnt get the priviledge of being an alpha tester for knowing what to do with it, but because he's a mega-poster who spends at least half of those posts kissing ass.

Actuel · Post by **Actuel** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:09 am

Angstrom wrote:I've found the slicer has too limited a range myself - half a bar is nowhere near enough.

Normally any sample with enough beats to chop up is 4 bars or at least 2 bars long, the sample offset only offsets +/-8 beats. I need +/- 64 beats ... quite a jump.
It's alright for minor stuff, quick effects, but I still prefer to chop beats by hand in arrange as I don't ever get a feeling of precise control out of the offset envelope.

...i have have been slicing by hand as well. as you can hear from my music but i had hoped that with Live's innovation they take slicing to a new level. i mean for accuracy slicing by hand is the only way but have a 64th's, 32nd or whatever quick slice or transient finder is a nice guide to start from.

its not about it being 'needed', its about wanting. a handy tool! life goes on still without this desire but i think they've missed the boat on not incorporating this hand feature....yet again. oh well, i'm still buying my upgrade as their are handful of other feature that make 6 worthwhile for me.

peace

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:10 am

Angstrom wrote:I've found the slicer has too limited a range myself - half a bar is nowhere near enough.

Normally any sample with enough beats to chop up is 4 bars or at least 2 bars long, the sample offset only offsets +/-8 beats. I need +/- 64 beats ... quite a jump.
It's alright for minor stuff, quick effects, but I still prefer to chop beats by hand in arrange as I don't ever get a feeling of precise control out of the offset envelope.

Word.

Plus, with a real slicer you can do some pretty crazy things much simpler than with clip envelopes.

Slice dynamics from recycle is a big one. That's just a recipe for fucking fat beats man. You can take dirty, sloppy breaks and in addition to quantizing them, re-insert punch that they never had.

Imagine drawing a damn volume envelope for single every beat of every 16 bar loop you write.

BOOOOORRRRRRIIIIINNNNNGGGGGG.

Hence, slicers rock.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:17 am

b0unce wrote:
and its no coincidence ableton didnt give an alpha to any of the critics

aren't the alpha testers simply the people who went to camp ableton?

Do you really think they want a lot of Alpha testers who say 'yes it's all great, we love it all' regardless?

what would be the point?

they are much more likely to pick arsey bastards.

so stand by your phone!

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:20 am

leisuremuffin wrote:if you *need* a slicer to achieve what you want to do, you're in the wrong game.

.lm.

agreed.

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:50 am

AdamJay wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:if you *need* a slicer to achieve what you want to do, you're in the wrong game.

.lm.

agreed.

And for those who really need to split a loop into its individual pieces: CMD/CTRL+E in the arrange view.

longjohns · Post by **longjohns** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:58 am

Angstrom wrote:I've found the slicer has too limited a range myself - half a bar is nowhere near enough.

Normally any sample with enough beats to chop up is 4 bars or at least 2 bars long, the sample offset only offsets +/-8 beats. I need +/- 64 beats ... quite a jump.
It's alright for minor stuff, quick effects, but I still prefer to chop beats by hand in arrange as I don't ever get a feeling of precise control out of the offset envelope.

yes yes yes, offset is a cool effect but the range is very limited.

I also don't feel in control of the offset parameter. often i'd swear i'm not hearing the beat which ought to be playing based on the offset at the moment.

also i have a song which plays differently in live5 vs live 3, i believe due to sample offset envelopes, which sketches me out on their consistency

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:01 am

no doubt, mcconaghy.

lives arrange view is my favorite way to creatively edit. what i like so much about it is that i just grab a section, apple-e it, then move the start marker until i have the cut i want. then play with transpose and warp settings. when i'm done, apple j to consolidate. couldn't be easier.

.lm.

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:04 am

leisuremuffin wrote:no doubt, mcconaghy.

lives arrange view is my favorite way to creatively edit. what i like so much about it is that i just grab a section, apple-e it, then move the start marker until i have the cut i want. then play with transpose and warp settings. when i'm done, apple j to consolidate. couldn't be easier.

.lm.

Exactly, I don't know about you, but I'm quicker this way than I used to be with Recycle.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:09 am

pretty much., i hardly ever do anything outside of live these days becasue it's so fast.

i haven't opened recycle in a couple of months now, but every once in a blue moon i do feel like playing with it..

.lm.

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:10 am

leisuremuffin wrote:pretty much., i hardly ever do anything outside of live these days becasue it's so fast.

i haven't opened recycle in a couple of months now, but every once in a blue moon i do feel like playing with it..

.lm.

If you feel up to it, experiment with slice dynamics again amigo. You'll love it all over again.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:15 am

Angstrom wrote: aren't the alpha testers simply the people who went to camp ableton?

possibly, but camp ableton wasnt open invitation - they picked who would come - or am I wrong?

Angstrom wrote: Do you really think they want a lot of Alpha testers who say 'yes it's all great, we love it all' regardless?

lol, draw you're own conclusions. see below.

Angstrom wrote: what would be the point?

A forum is a powerful marketing tool, all they need to do is give a few dogs (bitches?) a bone, and that works wonders for having a strong, positive impression of your company & product maintained in the face of criticism. Calculated or not, this is true. many's the shrewd consumer who checks the forums before purchase.

Angstrom wrote: they are much more likely to pick arsey bastards.

so stand by your phone!

ya, nice one. Anyways oneliners aside, supster is a prime candidate to alpha test - honest, a professional, productive, knows the program & its limits and most importantly is tech savvy enough to be useful. The perfect alpha tester...well for someone who wants to alpha test software, and not engage in a cynical marketing stunt.

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:17 am

sample off set is not a slicer
and a slicer would be a gigantic addition here

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:21 am

And what's the deal with airplane food. I mean, come ON!

Willyum · Post by **Willyum** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:22 am

Sample offset is not a slicer!

However you can get the slicer effect in Live!

This is very quick and easy and will give you full midi and sound editing controll over each slice so you can split them on your drum pads or keyboard. (just so you know, I am also one of the people looking for a 'real' slicer....anyway, someone on this board put me on to this a while ago and I took it a step further)

1-Take the sample you need to chop and place it in the arrange window.
2-Turn off the grid
3-click in the sample where you need a slice (ctrl-E)(front and back)
4-open an impulse drum machine
5-drag your slice onto an available pad

your done!.....

To make it quicker I usually loop my sample and and make all my slices first. It's not automatic like the FL slicer but as long as you turn off the grid, the slicing gets done very quickly. All filters, time streching, fx and transposing are available from within Impulse. HOWEVER, slices will be imported at thier original speed unaffected.....in order to take samples that have already been treated (fx, sample offset, transposed, volume effects, etc.....)you will need to consolidate first before dragging to impulse.

Believe it or not, for your average sample, this process only takes about 30 seconds longer than the FL slicer but you are limited to 8 slices per impulse, but you do have the same power and control over your slices.

For anyone not familiar with this process, please try it, it's not as complicated as it sounds. let me know if you think it's a decent 'slicer' substitute.

Actually I'll make a new post of this.