Live IS a slicer

yourmom · Post by **yourmom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:43 am

actually that is one very important question i have about live 6... has ableton fixed the GUI when you zoom in REAL close on a waveform after you chop it up a good bit? you know. where it was slacking ass in 5...

scientist · Post by **scientist** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:57 am

sample offset is an afterthought. literally. i beta tested whatever version of live that appeared in, and when i mentioned on the board that it would be nice to be able to set the offset to something other than 1/16ths...someone from ableton replied 'yeah we just threw that in at the last minute'. so sure its fun, but saying its an adequate replacement for recycle style chopping is a joke. 1: its quantized so that if your rhythm has any ideosyncracies, it messes them up. 2: 1/16ths only. don't think of doing anything more creative, like say...chopping in 1/32nds...you're shit out of luck. 3: or maybe a.d. envelopes per slice. oh wait, they aren't even slices. damn.

but anyway, live...is...not...a...slicer. those that keep saying it is are kidding themselves. if you would please stretch your brains for half a second you would realize that. yes, it can do some awesome things when it comes to slicing and dicing; i've done most of it...chopping a break and rocking follow actions on that shit...sample offset-ing. throwing a beat in simpler and dragging around the start point to imitate some granular action. the thing about ableton is they consistently manage to do innovative things with what were previously mundane ideas, so if they decided to make a slicer it would most likely be amazing. so why on earth would you NOT want them to try?

so this is a possible solution that someone mentioned in another thread: when a warped sample is dragged into the new sampler, give an option to have sampler consider each warp marker a 'slice' and map it accordingly. voila, you've immediately got full slice by slice control over the pieces just like if they were dragged in as individual files...keymapped and everything. how fucking cool would that be? in fact, an 'extract warp markers as clips' command could do the trick too. haven't thought about these possibilities too much so there could be some holes in implementation. but consider it a feature request! willyum's work around is definitely the best approximation for now, definitely a great roll yr own approach and with the rack feature in live 6 it'll be even easier to build impulses to hold all your slices.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:49 am

leisuremuffin wrote:no doubt, mcconaghy.

lives arrange view is my favorite way to creatively edit. what i like so much about it is that i just grab a section, apple-e it, then move the start marker until i have the cut i want. then play with transpose and warp settings. when i'm done, apple j to consolidate. couldn't be easier.

.lm.

that post is rediculous L.M., couldn't be easier?... gimme a break, a slicer does exactly that ... makes that easier. I don't know whats goin on here, I know you know better man, i know you from other forums too and you know what you're doin musicaly wtf up with the slicer hatred? every single thing written about slicing up audio in Live i already know how to do and do it, including willyums tip and thats all fine and good but you guys know what a slicer is.

I wish you cats wouldn't bash Adam either, he's contributed alot to the forum since the day he got here and being rude doesnt help anything.

Adam C'mon man what's up with all of this, it's starting to get silly when you make deragatory comments about people who use slicers man, and you can use a slicer and still be rolling your own, you know better than that.
now if there is some reason why a slicer would mess things up in Live 6 then please give us some details cause you're on the inside now, but don't say slicers aren't useful, and that they wouldn't be a great addition to Lives tools, theres lots of great music made with the help of those slicers that i mentioned, music that you yourself love, and you know how to use those damn slicers anyway and what their benefits are, on top of that I know all the ableton cats like robert and everyone else have used slicers and probably still do I wish they would respond cause its gettin a little sad here.

slicers are dope audio editing tools that should be a part of any samplers 101 features list, slicing up audio and modifying those slices is something done thousands of times each day by artist across many many musical genres as well as those that fit no genre at all.
nobody is saying that Live 6 is not a worthy upgrade, most of us asking for the slicer since yesteryear are all paying to get live 6 regardless of the slicer or not, but this slicer hatred is bullshit, or bullocks, or whatever you say at whereever you're from

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:52 am

and you other cats who think we're talking about getting a supatrigga effect

were not!!!

yourmom · Post by **yourmom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:53 am

how is editing midi notes on a piano roll easier than choping up a waveform by hand?

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:56 am

there's no need to edit notes in a piano roll mom, you just use the slicers interface for that, you don't think that after people slice up a loop in an mpc that they edit the slices on a piano roll do you?

Willyum · Post by **Willyum** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:02 am

yourmom wrote:how is editing midi notes on a piano roll easier than choping up a waveform by hand?

If I understand your question properly....most people who are using slicers are not entering notes in the piano roll.....we are using drum pads (or keys)and recording live midi or live audio action to get that propper feel.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:02 am

all we're talking about is
slicing audio automaticly / manualy
assigning midi notes to the slices
making the slices rearrangeable from the slicers interface
being able to trigger the slices and record your triggering in the sequencer

if you want to get really freaky with the slicer features you could go the route of what amg one does, but ableton could do it better.

http://www.samples4.com/catalog/product ... cts_id=718

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:07 am

stale bread wrote:
Adam C'mon man what's up with all of this, it's starting to get silly when you make deragatory comments about people who use slicers man

did i make such comments?

please refresh my memory..

ikke · Post by **ikke** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:12 am

M. Bréqs wrote:
leisuremuffin wrote:pretty much., i hardly ever do anything outside of live these days becasue it's so fast.

i haven't opened recycle in a couple of months now, but every once in a blue moon i do feel like playing with it..

.lm.
If you feel up to it, experiment with slice dynamics again amigo. You'll love it all over again.

Can you elaborate amigo? What is the "Slice Dynamic" feature in Recycle? Where can I find it?

ikke · Post by **ikke** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:19 am

lets jump into the discussion, I think Live is the best slicer Ive used! Combination of zoom (with the mouse), ctrl+e, and drag n drop = excellent. ctrl+e is not even needed. just select a range of the sample and drag (or ctrl drag to copy) into a new spot. Chopping up breaks and rearrange them is way too easy.. You see, Live has this very nifty auto fade thing going on. rearange a break in a few seconds and you wont hear any clicks or pops at the cuts!
If you want an autoslicer, for fuk sake, get a third party app

Recycle, Waveknife, etc....

djimagine · Post by **djimagine** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:47 am

Willyum wrote:Sample offset is not a slicer!

However you can get the slicer effect in Live!

This is very quick and easy and will give you full midi and sound editing controll over each slice so you can split them on your drum pads or keyboard. (just so you know, I am also one of the people looking for a 'real' slicer....anyway, someone on this board put me on to this a while ago and I took it a step further)

1-Take the sample you need to chop and place it in the arrange window.
2-Turn off the grid
3-click in the sample where you need a slice (ctrl-E)(front and back)
4-open an impulse drum machine
5-drag your slice onto an available pad

your done!.....

To make it quicker I usually loop my sample and and make all my slices first. It's not automatic like the FL slicer but as long as you turn off the grid, the slicing gets done very quickly. All filters, time streching, fx and transposing are available from within Impulse. HOWEVER, slices will be imported at thier original speed unaffected.....in order to take samples that have already been treated (fx, sample offset, transposed, volume effects, etc.....)you will need to consolidate first before dragging to impulse.

Believe it or not, for your average sample, this process only takes about 30 seconds longer than the FL slicer but you are limited to 8 slices per impulse, but you do have the same power and control over your slices.

For anyone not familiar with this process, please try it, it's not as complicated as it sounds. let me know if you think it's a decent 'slicer' substitute.

Actually I'll make a new post of this.

Well done this is often talk about in the Power series.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:53 am

that IS a great method, and you would probably also want to consolidate your clips for a couple reasons:

a. i've read impulse does something wacky when you use the middle bit of a longer sample, but can't remember exactly what it is

b. you save space if you have a huge loop

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:56 am

ikke wrote:lets jump into the discussion, I think Live is the best slicer Ive used! Combination of zoom (with the mouse), ctrl+e, and drag n drop = excellent. ctrl+e is not even needed. just select a range of the sample and drag (or ctrl drag to copy) into a new spot. Chopping up breaks and rearrange them is way too easy.. You see, Live has this very nifty auto fade thing going on. rearange a break in a few seconds and you wont hear any clicks or pops at the cuts!
If you want an autoslicer, for fuk sake, get a third party app Recycle, Waveknife, etc....

dude, if you can't understand the usefulness of
phatmatik
intakt
guru
shortcircuit
LiveSlice
amg one

and why we want a slicer or slicing features in the 'simpler' or the new sampler then I don't know what to tell you, what you're suggesting is what we've all already been doing and are still doing, if you can't see the difference.....again, what can i tell you

Adam i'm not going that route,i've nothing personal against you, I just feel its obsurd to have to justify the validity of a slicing option in Live

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:58 am

stale bread wrote:Adam i'm not going that route,i've nothing personal against you, I just feel its obsurd to have to justify the validity of a slicing option in Live

fair enough, just saying i don't recall ever making such comments.
thats not me, i may be tongue-in-cheek sometimes, but derogatory? that ain't me.