Any Film makers here? how you gonna use live 6?

snowman · Post by **snowman** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:54 am

Hello peeps,

Just reading about video support on Live 6, Quality!!!

Really looking forward to it. I produce most of my music on Live 5.
I also edit short films on Vegas video. This new video feature will able me to edit my video as normal on Vegas.
Then import the finished video file into Live 6 where I can then write the soundtrack using all my samples, soft synths etc,
plus rewire reason 3 into live opening up lots of sounds!!!

Gonna be good.

Who else thinks this simple feature is the dogs?

James.

4am · Post by **4am** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:25 pm

i also wait to see what live6 has to offer in this sense.
for my work i have to sync sound and images, and for the moment
i also use vegas.
i suppose that live6 will offer more on audio, but possibly less on video.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:47 pm

handy, but I dunno if it will revolutionise film making...

snowman · Post by **snowman** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:53 pm

I don't think Live 6 will offer a lot on video editing, but that's cool.
I would do all of my visual editing in Vegas, then when I'm happy with the film.
import it into Live 6 where you will have total freedom to create the soundtrack for the finished film.

Gonna be good.

James.

darclex · Post by **darclex** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:46 pm

6 is still in alpha, but video in live raises so many questions.
right off the bat i intend to move from mix cds to dvds so that i can better market myself. but that is really just the beginning...

i think about kid beyond's live performance and i add video to that, and that is pretty cool.
i think about sasha's live performance and add video and that's pretty cool too

it seems like the abes are really pushing the 'live' instrument envelope to the point where we aren't dj's or vj's anymore, we're something else. digital media performers perhaps

and if the abes take the time in RND to make video's properties configurable in real time, which is the whole notion of 'live', then the floodgates for thrid party plug-ins becomes available, and we should expect some sort of a series of video instruments from the abes themselves

and if the development of video is pursued any further obvious questions arise...

uncompressed video
video input/output
how many 'channels' of video
will 'channels' of video overlay each other
to what extent will video be manipulated
when rendered, what formats will be rendered too
will 6 video options rewire to something like scrambled?hackz!

i imagine it's in ableton's agenda to pursue this path with a great ferocity and my reasoning for it is the hardware can support it, and it is the next dimension of live entertainment.

live is definetly in a field of it's own and when has that kind of status disruptive moves of development that shake the very ground the user community is founded on are the only moves forward.

i think we should prepare ourselves for something that will absolutely take on a life of it's own.

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:56 am

I think if you want to incorporate video into performance, there will be a lot of tabbing over to arrangement to swap out yr video clip & restart the arrangement bar.

If you have a big collection of Quicktimes with sound you'd like to use (I definitely do) I heard you can strip the audio from the video for processing in Session View. Unfortunately, no video loading, swapping, or navigation from the Session side.

Seems to me that if they add a video channel on one side, they should add it on the other. Is there gonna be a fader in the mixer but nothing in the column above it? Weird.

When I was doing a lot of film scoring, I used to just put a mix of rough cut audio into Arrangement and write to that. Having the very limited video support we're gonna get in 6 will eliminate my last step, which used to be matching the picture to the audio in Soundtrack Pro to doublecheck.

I'm not a VJ myself, but I would love to store warped acapellas & full songs as QuickTime movies that include a live performance or video. I've done real basic interpretive animations for music before, & I'd totally do more of that if it were possible to warp them & keep them married to the clips that inspired them. It's not really VJing with Live yet, just an extension of the scoring-to-picture concept. I know the VJs I work with would love it if I could give them sync video to mangle.

deva · Post by **deva** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:20 am

I and a few friends produce a lot of video. Usually event coverage and political or social commentary. For a while we were cranking out 5-8 videos per month and doing video showings at various venues and putting it up on cable tv. Sometimes using projectors outside on buildings in the summertime... crowds gather... It has slowed down at the moment because some of us have focused on longer pieces (30-60 minutes) but I am finding I am liking the shorter stuff better cause I get bogged down in bigger complex pieces.

I'm looking forward to using Live6 and importing the video to put audio to. We edit in Final Cut. I've used Live5 for this but it will be nice to see the video right there. I have no interest in editing video in Live.

We have done some experiments with video mixers and doing live feeds and mixing from multiple cameras on different subjects. I cant say we have produced something really tight yet, but it is fun... maybe a little more premade/edited clips mixed in, but so far it has been so easy to lose direction or just flounder.

I'd also say leave video DJ'ing to software already doing that. We do not have computers nearly powerful enough to do with video what Live does with audio. Better focus on the core tools and ui and in some years maybe the hardware will be there to add video.

Pericles · Post by **Pericles** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:26 am

well i bought the much touted ReVision software in order to sync Live (4 at the time) to Quick Time. It worked in that yes it did sync the live set but as a rewire slave of course you cannot run plugins - ie instruments, effects etc everything we use to make the music that you'd want to sync to QT! the ReVision website was not clear on the issue of slaving and appeared that you could run the ReVision as a plug in on Live (much more sensible).

So yesterday when i got the newsletter about QT in 6 i was doing cartwheels. even its only for sketching ideas out it will be better for me than having to use another sequencer. I find Live so quick and easy when the muse is around...

pericles

subbasshead · Post by **subbasshead** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:15 am

The idea of being able to improvise while working to video is hugely appealing
& not something thats possible to the same extent anywhere else, even on
a $50k ProTools setup.... so it is fantastic news & the ramifications wont be fully
appreciated until we've got to spend time with it...

It will be version 1.0 of video implemented in LIVE so inevitably not every
permutation will be immediately possible. But compared with NO option this
is going to be a major step forward...

I just hope it will be possible to loop the video as we currently can with audio,
in the Arrange view... improvising ambiences for a scene of a film sounds like
a lot more fun than the current find, edit, play,stop, edit, play, stop, edit...etc etc

And for people who want to be able to load in multiple videos, remember with
Quicktime Pro (Mac, not sure about PC) you can make a reference video which
points to any number of other videos. So say you had a dozen ten minute long
video clips you want to string together for a gig, you can make a reference
video that appears as a single QT video to any application including LIVE 6,
which is actually a tiny reference clip with the dozen discrete clips edited
together as you see fit, but without having to render or save the video
as self contained - might solve some situations...

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:44 pm

hey guys - I read a question in one of the threads recently where someone asked if you could still see the video window in session view

Cant remember the thread so I'l answer here

Yes.

Quixotic · Post by **Quixotic** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:18 pm

yea...personally i see it as more of a live setting situation although like someone stated before me..the processing power would have to be taken up a notch. ive always wanted to incorporate video into my live setting...but id rather use the cd j DVD turntables so i can scratch my sounds and have it visually seen. as for editing--ill stick to my final cut pro and avid. i see the possibilities in Live's time warping tools to better synch up say ADR and shit. but pro tools has tools comparable to that already.

warabunga · Post by **warabunga** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:50 am

Make video hard synch to audio!
You move a warp maker => video gets slower or faster to match audio position...
I guess it only by changing video playback speed you can stay in synch with audio!
This would make ableton my only software!

peace yo!

buddhabelly · Post by **buddhabelly** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:34 pm

warabunga wrote:Make video hard synch to audio!
You move a warp maker => video gets slower or faster to match audio position...
I guess it only by changing video playback speed you can stay in synch with audio!
This would make ableton my only software!

peace yo!

That's fine if your looking to mangle your video with your audio, but for someone who wants to 'score' to a movie, it's not useful at all. I suspect that the feature coming in live 6 is the latter.

dpel · Post by **dpel** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:43 pm

Didn't you all downlaod Amaury's Max/DSP quicktime plug?

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

I have a suspicion he had something to do with the L6 feature...

subbasshead · Post by **subbasshead** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:44 pm

Make video hard synch to audio!
You move a warp maker => video gets slower or faster to match audio position..

Have you used Twixtor? its a time adjustment plugin for Final Cut, Ae etc
It does what you want in terms of manipulation of time in video
and does it very very well, but does it do it in real time? Hell no
Maybe 5 years from now this could be possible in a dedicated video program,
but ableton LIVE is a dedicated music/audio program
Adding video playback for scoring/DJing is following that path,
not diverting into a totally seperate very crowded market....
Have you seen how many VJ/video manipulation programs already exist?
theres over 100 listed here:
http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolsha ... ftmain.htm

Any Film makers here? how you gonna use live 6?

Any Film makers here? how you gonna use live 6?

my thoughts