No fade in/out/crossfade for audio clips in Ableton 6 ?

rand · Post by **rand** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:44 am

damn.. and I was hoping the topic was gonna discuss
crossfade & fade in or out in Session view!
Now that'd I'd like to see
rather then butting in with the newly clicked cell in a track...
rand

deva · Post by **deva** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:37 am

Angstrom wrote:
Of course it's no simple matter to alter the code get two streams of audio to play at the same time off one track. Live's basis is 'one peice of audio on one track at a time' - they would need to address that quite large issue to solve this in a neat way. That's not going to be quick, but once they solve it we can have overdubs, looping, x-fades, comping, etc.

I'd be quite happy if I could select 2 clips on different tracks, hit X and if they overlap they crossfade to each other. It is not necessary to have overlapping clips on one track to have a crossfade function...

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:23 am

kenn michael wrote:NOOOO!!!!! Don't look at ProTools' crossfade features... Look at Nuendo's

Nuendo's fading is MUUCH more advanced and flexible. ProTools' editing features are still very old school compared to Nuendo.

I do a lot of sound post as well as music production, and even though I have a ProTools system for compatibility reasons, I do all dialog & FX cutting, as well as surround mixing in Nuendo... WAY more modern toolset. ProTools seems archaic to cut in now.

hehehe i definitely dont want to see that screen in Live.
but i would be happy with fades as simple as that, though i'd be thrilled with something along the lines of Nuendo's fading.

and to all those folks who hint that i don't have anything negative to say about Ableton.... well.. just because i don't bitch and moan loudly doesn't mean i'm completely happy, i like to think i've got tact. Fading in arrange is a feature that i could really use in Live, its part of my livelihood and the need for that feature means i occasionally have to use (and pay for) other software just for those few extra features that Live is lacking.

But i'm not going to let this lack of one feature, which truley is the last feature i would like to see in Live for my own personal needs and wants, ruin my appreciation for other great features. Its just not worth it.

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:35 pm

AdamJay wrote:
kenn michael wrote:NOOOO!!!!! Don't look at ProTools' crossfade features... Look at Nuendo's

Nuendo's fading is MUUCH more advanced and flexible. ProTools' editing features are still very old school compared to Nuendo.

I do a lot of sound post as well as music production, and even though I have a ProTools system for compatibility reasons, I do all dialog & FX cutting, as well as surround mixing in Nuendo... WAY more modern toolset. ProTools seems archaic to cut in now.

But i'm not going to let this lack of one feature, which truley is the last feature i would like to see in Live for my own personal needs and wants, ruin my appreciation for other great features. Its just not worth it.

yeppers

njh · Post by **njh** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:41 pm

hoffman2k wrote:Lets hope that Live will never be the thing that qualifies as a DAW

i dont get why people dont want live to be considered a daw.
since the first version of live it was a daw, it recorded audio digitaly and was a workstation since you could edit the audio.. it also had a sequencer that worked alot like other sequencers in other daws. live is a freaking daw!!!!!

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:43 pm

njh wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Lets hope that Live will never be the thing that qualifies as a DAW
i dont get why people dont want live to be considered a daw.
since the first version of live it was a daw, it recorded audio digitaly and was a workstation since you could edit the audio.. it also had a sequencer that worked alot like other sequencers in other daws. live is a freaking daw!!!!!

And now, lets take quick a look at a poll of what Live users use Live for
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

njh · Post by **njh** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:49 pm

Angstrom wrote:
njh wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Lets hope that Live will never be the thing that qualifies as a DAW
i dont get why people dont want live to be considered a daw.
since the first version of live it was a daw, it recorded audio digitaly and was a workstation since you could edit the audio.. it also had a sequencer that worked alot like other sequencers in other daws. live is a freaking daw!!!!!
And now, lets take quick a look at a poll of what Live users use Live for
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

its a daw... thats final

illtrooper · Post by **illtrooper** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:45 am

...This feature is really important to me. I want it; I chalked it up to 'this is different type of program in 1.5, I mused how it would be helpful in 2 and 3, I wanted it in 4, I missed it in 5, and now I'm disappointed to see it missing from 6.

You can do it SOOO easily in ProTool's timeline by selecting the area where the two clips abut, moving the curser toward the bottom of the waveform, and a crossfade icon comes up, allowing you to simply drag left or right to determine the length of the fade, and a second later, you're done. It's SAD that Live is still missing thise INCREDIBLY useful and musical feature!

Really guys: acting like LIVE's integrity is going to be sullied by adding this feature because 'That's not the way LIVE was meant to be used' or whatever you're saying is the same mentality that would have kept LIVE from being made - To me you sound like the type of person that might have said this: "ProTools is fine as it is, if you want your song at another tempo you should have recorded it at that tempo, music wasn't meant to be 'warped,' who needs that..."

So many times on these forums people make weird sweeping esoteric comments that are excusing the lack of simple features... Like how 'a leak in the roof is allowing you to remain in touch with nature.'

I ask: which one of you wants another sampled piano more than this feature? Is adding that to 6 more of a unique, creative feature than being able to quickly make an edit sound more natural or smooth?

No man, in actuality, adding things like soundbanks is making this program more like the other ones than a crossfade feature would. This is my favorite program for music, but I think this feature is really missed.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:59 pm

illtrooper wrote:...This feature is really important to me. I want it; I chalked it up to 'this is different type of program in 1.5, I mused how it would be helpful in 2 and 3, I wanted it in 4, I missed it in 5, and now I'm disappointed to see it missing from 6.

You can do it SOOO easily in ProTool's timeline by selecting the area where the two clips abut, moving the curser toward the bottom of the waveform, and a crossfade icon comes up, allowing you to simply drag left or right to determine the length of the fade, and a second later, you're done. It's SAD that Live is still missing thise INCREDIBLY useful and musical feature!

Really guys: acting like LIVE's integrity is going to be sullied by adding this feature because 'That's not the way LIVE was meant to be used' or whatever you're saying is the same mentality that would have kept LIVE from being made - To me you sound like the type of person that might have said this: "ProTools is fine as it is, if you want your song at another tempo you should have recorded it at that tempo, music wasn't meant to be 'warped,' who needs that..."

So many times on these forums people make weird sweeping esoteric comments that are excusing the lack of simple features... Like how 'a leak in the roof is allowing you to remain in touch with nature.'

I ask: which one of you wants another sampled piano more than this feature? Is adding that to 6 more of a unique, creative feature than being able to quickly make an edit sound more natural or smooth?

No man, in actuality, adding things like soundbanks is making this program more like the other ones than a crossfade feature would. This is my favorite program for music, but I think this feature is really missed.

it's not in because Live can't do two audio streams from one track right now, and that's obvioulsy not a quick thing to add.
They have previously mentioned vague ideas/plans to change to a multi-stream system because it not only adds crossfading but also many other features. It just isn't in 6.

although all that could have been a dream.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:48 pm

njh wrote:
Angstrom wrote:
njh wrote: i dont get why people dont want live to be considered a daw.
since the first version of live it was a daw, it recorded audio digitaly and was a workstation since you could edit the audio.. it also had a sequencer that worked alot like other sequencers in other daws. live is a freaking daw!!!!!
And now, lets take quick a look at a poll of what Live users use Live for
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=
its a daw... thats final

Yes it's a Digital Audio Workstation.
But a Daw means this to me:

A Daw is an app like Cubase, Nuendo, Pro tools, Digital performer, Logic,.....
Apps that are made for linear arranging and offline processing.

Live is a live production tool. It's an instrument. You all love it and sure, why not add more editing features?
But I don't want Live to turn into on of those apps that need to stop the audio for every damn process. Live already stops the audio too much imho.

If Live ends up being a clone of the other DAW's. Then what is the point in going on?
Ableton is more then clever enough to "redefine the box". Lets just hope that they don't get sucked into the steinberg category of quality.... (which is a matter of taste..)

I'm not saying that i don't want to see nice editing features.
I just don't want the sum of all of Live's parts to be just another DAW....
Just like we don't want to see Live turn into traktor dj studio......

My personal belief is this. Ableton will be the first company to create the mother of all modular "Daw's". So that Live is everything to everybody.
Floating windows for the ones who want them. More then 1 waveforms visible for the dj's. Arrangement and session view on different screens....
Make Live behave like Live 3...
All examples of "layouts" you could save/load and share.

My point is: You should be able to shape the tool/instrument you use to your likings. Not having to conform to apple's/Steinberg's interpretation of how a DAW should look like...

Yes it's a Daw. But no it isn't

To you it's a daw. To me it's an instrument. We're all right!

TonySoprano · Post by **TonySoprano** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:00 pm

Angstrom wrote: And now, lets take quick a look at a poll of what Live users use Live for
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

That's hardly a cut and dried representation though, is it? We've got 1300 registered users on our forums at Ableton Live DJ which should go to show that a userbase, and therefore sales of the product, exists and should have some requests accomodated for using the product in that manner. A fair section of the popularity of Ableton Live has to be attirbuted to the DJ'ing element, at least in publicity terms.

Mike Goodwin · Post by **Mike Goodwin** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:01 pm

I feel that crossfading between two audio recordings on one track is a very basic feature that is undenably useful to anyone that mixes music. Even just being able to create fades via the waveform in the arrange window would be handy. This feature would in no way detract from live being a "live" tool.

glu · Post by **glu** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:26 pm

Mike Goodwin wrote:I feel that crossfading between two audio recordings on one track is a very basic feature that is undenably useful to anyone that mixes music. Even just being able to create fades via the waveform in the arrange window would be handy. This feature would in no way detract from live being a "live" tool.

+1

cbit · Post by **cbit** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:14 pm

I'm looking for a way of simply creating an equal power x fade between two clips (having them on seperate tracks is fine). live 6 still can't do this afaik: i agree with others here who've said that this is a fundamental capability in a modern DAW that's missing here.

cbit · Post by **cbit** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:19 pm

edit: i found that i can workaround this limitation by automating the session view crossfader (making sure its set to constant power) and assigning the tracks i want to fade from and to to 'A' and 'B' respectively.. it's a hassle though.

No fade in/out/crossfade for audio clips in Ableton 6 ?

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