Live IS a slicer

[STRATEGY_510]

Adam C'mon man what's up with all of this, it's starting to get silly when you make deragatory comments about people who use slicers man

did i make such comments?

please refresh my memory..

I think it was more suggested than stated, but the problem with words on a screen is that inflections can easily be misinterpreted. So I kinda though you were saying that without saying it, but could easily be wrong.


STRATEGY

[M. Bréqs]

If you feel up to it, experiment with slice dynamics again amigo. You'll love it all over again.

Can you elaborate amigo? What is the "Slice Dynamic" feature in Recycle? Where can I find it?

It's one of the three buttons on the top that activate a bunch of knobs (in recycle 2.0!)

One's for the EQ,
One's for activating the Transient Shaper (Threshold, Ammount, Attack and Release)
and the last one's for Envelope controls.

Anyways, the one for Threshold, Ammount Attack and Release are your "Transient Shapers". I mistakenly refer to these as slice dynamics, sorry. But, that's essentially what they are. It's like having a compressor that applies itself to each slice regardless of the volume of the slice. You can get quite precise with it.

The Envelope is sweet. Try setting the sustain to around 80%, with a really fast decay. You'll get a dramatic popping transient back into sloppy drums. Combined with the "Transient Shapers", these can really make your drums friggin pop out at you.

The only way to do this in Live is to draw the volume envelope manually. Gating doesn't work accurately enough; if it's loud enough to pass the gate, the other material won't pop. So, you'll reinforce your kick (maybe snare for some breaks) but everything else (cymbals, congas, etc) in your loop will just be quieter instead.

[pulsoc]

Adam C'mon man what's up with all of this, it's starting to get silly when you make deragatory comments about people who use slicers man

did i make such comments?

please refresh my memory..

I think it was more suggested than stated, but the problem with words on a screen is that inflections can easily be misinterpreted. So I kinda though you were saying that without saying it, but could easily be wrong.


STRATEGY

if you *need* a slicer to achieve what you want to do, you're in the wrong game.



.lm.

agreed.

So does agreeing with an asshole comment imply assholism? Yeaaahhh.

Aphex Twin said in the latest Future Music he uses Ableton and Liveslice - wow what a hack, he should just use Live cause it's already a slicer, huh?

I can't believe I am starting to see things from bOunce's perspective, but AdamJay, Johnisfaster, leisuremuffin and a bunch of others have been acting like rabid Ableton fascists this past week. Guys - shut the fuck up and rise above. If someone want's a fuckin slicer what's the problem????? Live is NOT a slicer - anymore than Soundforge is. Thank god Machinate still tends to sound like a normal product user and not superfan.

[djadonis206]

Originally post by ROBERT HENKE in my thread about South Park, censorship and pornograhy

No reason to complain, leave this forum if you do not like the way it is handled.

So no more complaining just accept it - Live IS a slicer D*mmit!!!!!!!!!

[AdamJay]

pulsoc, i agreed with him on the *need* part.

want and *need* are two different things. mmkay?

if people want a slicer, fine. thats okay with me. I've never said that no one should want a slicer. Stop making me out to be some kind of nazi.

If you are going to read and critique the words i type, then read ALL the words i type. and if i quote something, understand what i am quoting.

three types of people are mentioned in your little parade of quotations to skew what i said.. Folks that USE slicers, folks that NEED slicers, and folks that WANT slicers. So if you want to argue with me about what i said or didn't say, ask yourself first "would this hold up in court?", and if the answer is no then don't waste my time.

[supster]

did supster get an alpha ? He's the most well spoken of the outspoken critics, and from the posts of his I've read he's got way more technical know-how to be a useful alpha tester. of course, he may not have had the time. and he's not a relentless sycophant. i can solemly say supster calls it how he sees it.

wait ... i can get an alpha copy?? where! I TAKE IT ALL BACK!


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[j0shu@]

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[djshiva]

So does agreeing with an asshole comment imply assholism? Yeaaahhh.

Aphex Twin said in the latest Future Music he uses Ableton and Liveslice - wow what a hack, he should just use Live cause it's already a slicer, huh?

I can't believe I am starting to see things from bOunce's perspective, but AdamJay, Johnisfaster, leisuremuffin and a bunch of others have been acting like rabid Ableton fascists this past week. Guys - shut the fuck up and rise above. If someone want's a fuckin slicer what's the problem????? Live is NOT a slicer - anymore than Soundforge is. Thank god Machinate still tends to sound like a normal product user and not superfan.

good lord this is getting ridiculous.

war in the middle east, genocide in darfur, millions dying from AIDS around the world, and what gets people worked up? live doesn't have a slicer.

fucking priorities. you NEED a slicer? actually, the only true needs that humans have are food, water, shelter and companionship. the rest of it is gravy. evidently us spoiled ass music dorks have come up with a whole new set of needs, but it ain't live slicer they need...it's a need to hear themselves bitch.

ya know, all the time people are spending on this forum whinging about a live slicer could be spent taking the extra steps in recycle, fruity slicer or that live slice thing. but that wouldn't be as fun as crying like little babies over a feature they wanted but didn't get because ableton are not their frickin software programming slaves, bent to respond to our every whim.

YOU HAVE A STUDIO IN A BOX!!!!! seriously!! ten...fifteen years ago we didn't have those...and we got along just fine on creativity and ingenuity, but just like humans do, we always want more and we want it easier and we will carry on and on until someone caves just to shut us up.

so instead of enjoying the fact that music technology has just gone leaps and bounds ahead, and making some cool music, and working around when we need to, or enjoying a technique that turned out different than we expceted, but perhaps had better results, and just enjoying the creative process...we want a software that will slice loops, wash our ass and pay our bills.

FOR PETE'S SAKE...appreciate what you have!!! some people have NOTHING, not even food. people are being bombed in lebanon RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! if the worst thing going on in your life is not having a goddamn slicer in live...you are sittin' pretty.

p.s. i am not an alpha tester, nor am i an ableton apologist. i am just an average joe (josephine?) using live and having fun doing it. i just get sick of the idiocy.

[djadonis206]

*h my...

[supster]

good lord this is getting ridiculous.

war in the middle east, genocide in darfur, millions dying from AIDS around the world, and what gets people worked up? live doesn't have a slicer.

fucking priorities. you NEED a slicer? actually, the only true needs that humans have are food, water, shelter and companionship. the rest of it is gravy. evidently us spoiled ass music dorks have come up with a whole new set of needs, but it ain't live slicer they need...it's a need to hear themselves bitch.
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i love lamp


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[kineticUk]

I want an alpha too...
Gimme .. c'mon
I always reported even if it meant not being loved (sniff sniff .. ahhhh) and some people thought I was just having a go. They tried to kick my head .. forum style and made me cry
But seriously I am good at testing as well.Really.And I have a single processor so it might be interesting

[Apocrypha]

[pulsoc]

pulsoc, i agreed with him on the *need* part.

want and *need* are two different things. mmkay?

if people want a slicer, fine. thats okay with me. I've never said that no one should want a slicer. Stop making me out to be some kind of nazi.

If you are going to read and critique the words i type, then read ALL the words i type. and if i quote something, understand what i am quoting.

three types of people are mentioned in your little parade of quotations to skew what i said.. Folks that USE slicers, folks that NEED slicers, and folks that WANT slicers. So if you want to argue with me about what i said or didn't say, ask yourself first "would this hold up in court?", and if the answer is no then don't waste my time.

Nah, I'm calling you out. I have been following the threads and seen the way you hop on folks who suggest Live lacks features. There was no debate on need vs. want vs whatever. Or if there was I'll eat my words.

People were SHOCKED Live hadn't implemented a dedicated slicer - the way FL did 3 years ago with ONE developer, offered as an add-on for 29$. It surprised me too, considering Ableton has how many programmers?

Obviously the issue was on the table, so maybe you all should just let the company answer the simple question - hey, why no slicer? Instead of jumping all over people by implying they have no talent if they want/need/desire (whatever bullshit lawyerese you want to use) or, even more laughably, saying the Ableton is a slicer. It's not.

I dunno, Ableton probably has mapped out their business strategy and it looks pretty good for their financial future, but coming from FL where each new (FREE) update contained a shitload more features than Live. I mean, this kind of update would have been more like 5.2 to 5.3 in FL. Only prob with FL is it's not configured for live use and the developer is an overbearing prick at times. But at least he addressed issues directly on the forum instead of relying on a cadre of "customers" to browbeat people looking for improvements.

This is obviously about more than the slicer, the slicer just filled in as the issue du jour to bring this dynamic to the fore. You forum vets should have a little more common sense about your battles.

[AdamJay]

if that's what you consider "calling me out"..

[Angstrom]

by slicer do you mean "recording controllers in session", or have I misunderstood.

I'm not sure if I've got this right at all, go on explain it to me again.