Live IS a slicer

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:10 am

djshiva wrote:
pulsoc wrote:
So does agreeing with an asshole comment imply assholism? Yeaaahhh.

Aphex Twin said in the latest Future Music he uses Ableton and Liveslice - wow what a hack, he should just use Live cause it's already a slicer, huh?

I can't believe I am starting to see things from bOunce's perspective, but AdamJay, Johnisfaster, leisuremuffin and a bunch of others have been acting like rabid Ableton fascists this past week. Guys - shut the fuck up and rise above. If someone want's a fuckin slicer what's the problem????? Live is NOT a slicer - anymore than Soundforge is. Thank god Machinate still tends to sound like a normal product user and not superfan.
good lord this is getting ridiculous.

war in the middle east, genocide in darfur, millions dying from AIDS around the world, and what gets people worked up? live doesn't have a slicer.

fucking priorities. you NEED a slicer? actually, the only true needs that humans have are food, water, shelter and companionship. the rest of it is gravy. evidently us spoiled ass music dorks have come up with a whole new set of needs, but it ain't live slicer they need...it's a need to hear themselves bitch.

ya know, all the time people are spending on this forum whinging about a live slicer could be spent taking the extra steps in recycle, fruity slicer or that live slice thing. but that wouldn't be as fun as crying like little babies over a feature they wanted but didn't get because ableton are not their frickin software programming slaves, bent to respond to our every whim.

YOU HAVE A STUDIO IN A BOX!!!!! seriously!! ten...fifteen years ago we didn't have those...and we got along just fine on creativity and ingenuity, but just like humans do, we always want more and we want it easier and we will carry on and on until someone caves just to shut us up.

so instead of enjoying the fact that music technology has just gone leaps and bounds ahead, and making some cool music, and working around when we need to, or enjoying a technique that turned out different than we expceted, but perhaps had better results, and just enjoying the creative process...we want a software that will slice loops, wash our ass and pay our bills.

FOR PETE'S SAKE...appreciate what you have!!! some people have NOTHING, not even food. people are being bombed in lebanon RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! if the worst thing going on in your life is not having a goddamn slicer in live...you are sittin' pretty.

p.s. i am not an alpha tester, nor am i an ableton apologist. i am just an average joe (josephine?) using live and having fun doing it. i just get sick of the idiocy.

Right on!!

D K · Post by **D K** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:14 am

BUT this forum isn't about politics(or should i say isn't intended for politics)
it's about live and it's functions.
i'd rather hear about live, thanks.
i'll be in israel soon enough.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:16 am

D K wrote:BUT this forum isn't about politics(or should i say isn't intended for politics)
it's about live and it's functions.
i'd rather hear about live, thanks.
i'll be in israel soon enough.

***smacks forehead***

no. evidently this forum is about whining from inside the confines of our privilege.

D K · Post by **D K** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:17 am

so stop it then.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:20 am

D K wrote:so stop it then.

did you even bother to read the rest of my post, or did you stop at the first line?

if i want to make a point about the useless whinging of software geeks for features that have not been promised to them and stamped by a notary public, and i use world politics as an example of things that are a little more important...i will do so...your assumptions of authority over my mode of communication notwithstanding.

Louis · Post by **Louis** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:21 am

going WAAAY back in the thread:

plain wrote:dude..you are smoking crack if you think that is a slicer...i dont have to explain it to you..but it's not a fucking slicer....you need to see waveforms and transients......why are all you beta testers so biased.....

dont post on these boards with your tilted views...

it's not a fucking slicer

Actually... ahem... that is slicing, and it's been that way since the eighties with trackers and offset commands with loaded breaks and samples- as in "dude- did you here those crazy beat slicing tricks in that shy fx track?"... cause well- they didn't have vst's or recycle in the 80's bro...

you need to go back to school cuz.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:23 am

razor blades and spliffs

w0RD!

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:27 am

Louis wrote:it's been that way since the eighties with trackers and offset commands with loaded breaks and samples

man, i kinda miss Fasttracker.

might have to fire up DOS this weekend. oooh that means i can dust off the Windows 3.1 machine and rock some Opcode Vision.

D K · Post by **D K** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:29 am

djshiva wrote:
D K wrote:so stop it then.
did you even bother to read the rest of my post, or did you stop at the first line?

if i want to make a point about the useless whinging of software geeks for features that have not been promised to them and stamped by a notary public, and i use world politics as an example of things that are a little more important...i will do so...your assumptions of authority over my mode of communication notwithstanding.

read it all. yawn.
i desire no authority over anyone....
you see, i appreciate and understand my privelidges, and am quite aware of the world...
as i said, i'll be in israel soon enough.
now, i'd like to hear your opinion on wether a "slicer" plug would be beneficial to live.
thanks.

djshiva · Post by **djshiva** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:36 am

D K wrote:
djshiva wrote:
D K wrote:so stop it then.
did you even bother to read the rest of my post, or did you stop at the first line?

if i want to make a point about the useless whinging of software geeks for features that have not been promised to them and stamped by a notary public, and i use world politics as an example of things that are a little more important...i will do so...your assumptions of authority over my mode of communication notwithstanding.
read it all. yawn.
i desire no authority over anyone....
you see, i appreciate and understand my privelidges, and am quite aware of the world...
as i said, i'll be in israel soon enough.
now, i'd like to hear your opinion on wether a "slicer" plug would be beneficial to live.
thanks.

i think that's what "vst support" is good for.

D K · Post by **D K** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:40 am

djshiva wrote:
D K wrote:
djshiva wrote: did you even bother to read the rest of my post, or did you stop at the first line?

if i want to make a point about the useless whinging of software geeks for features that have not been promised to them and stamped by a notary public, and i use world politics as an example of things that are a little more important...i will do so...your assumptions of authority over my mode of communication notwithstanding.
read it all. yawn.
i desire no authority over anyone....
you see, i appreciate and understand my privelidges, and am quite aware of the world...
as i said, i'll be in israel soon enough.
now, i'd like to hear your opinion on wether a "slicer" plug would be beneficial to live.
thanks.
i think that's what "vst support" is good for.

cool. another no then.
i am genuinely interested in folks opinion on the matter.
thanks!

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:55 am

all the end of the world comments aside
live really needs a slicer/sample editor and one that is worthy of the live name (meaning crazy, awsome, inovative and very very easy to use)
jumping back and forth between programs is a huge time consumer
this should be priority numero uno for 7 if they dropped the ball on 6

no more live is a slicer bs
its not
by slicer we all mean automatic slicing (like strip silence for example)

if you think live does this then you don't what this conversation is about period

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:36 am

This thread has been pretty amazing! he he

but just to add my 2c - I honestly dont understand the fuss at all

I used to use recycle alot about 4 or 5 years ago as a compliment to reason, but honestly the thought of using one since live has never occurred to me

maybe I missed some really cool things about them

but I have intakt as it came with Komplete - I've fired it up about 3 times and not once seen a use for it

and just to check you all know about the "dragging slices from arrange into impulse" trick from Willyums other thread right?

Pls dont anyone take this as a dump on anyone's right to want one, just from the point of view of Ableton actually having to go to the bother of coding this feature and prioritising it over something else, I'm really puzzled as to what the big deal is

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:57 am

ok here is why an auto-slicer would be great

and why live is a auto-slicer is nonsense

automatically chop up your loops (into as small as your zoom settintg is) (whether they are drums or melodies or harmonies or whatever)
rearange in arrange window
pretty soon you will have many usefull variations of your original loop

(add in scramble slices within loop bracket and away you go!)

yes that can be done manually but speed is key and helps further the creative flow tremendously

the creative use for a feature like this are HUGE!

bigger than you can think of currently

funknotik · Post by **funknotik** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:15 am

I've said it before and i'll say it again. I WANT A SLICER IN ABLETON THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE FRUITY SLICER IN FLSTUDIO! It would be good if you could assign midi to every slice and control it from there The reason i think this is better is because its like having a drum kit infront of you! You can see what everything does and do it! I play drums and i want control of samples like i play my drums! Im not arguing im just stating what i would like...please dont hurt me.

If ableton doesnt make a slicer in two days im blowing up the forum with a weapon of mass destruction! j/k..

Didnt know aphex used ableton, anyway i can see the interview online???[/b]