Live IS a slicer

glu · Post by **glu** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:38 pm

The wire is dope! When I lived back at home with the rents, we had HBo, we used to all watch 6 feet under- damn good show, more realistic than most TVcrap... But the wire had me hooked. Baltimore is rough as shiitee.... I do miss Bill Maher..

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:43 pm

glu wrote:The wire is dope! When I lived back at home with the rents, we had HBo, we used to all watch 6 feet under- damn good show, more realistic than most TVcrap... But the wire had me hooked. Baltimore is rough as shiitee.... I do miss Bill Maher..

yeah the Wire is good on so many levels - they had real people from the neighborhood playing parts in the show which I think is cool

what I think is really cool is how it all comes down fromt he top to the street - everyone plays their parts really well, it's awesome

Adonis

glu · Post by **glu** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:49 pm

I didn't know they had real Baltimorians on the show. Man, HBO is the shit. They have a good group of writers. Most of the shows I have seen on HBO has much better dialog than on most other stations. Plus you got Real Sex, which is a real educator... hehehe

glu · Post by **glu** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:38 pm

BACK ON TRACK

Just thought I would quote page 175 of the live manuel

17.2.4, 4th paragraph

" We discourage using this technique {sample offset} for "analytical" cut-and-splice tasks; they are much easier to perform using Live's Arrangement View..."

Following this method it is easy to create custom kits. Its not automatic, and I guess there is a crowd of customers who want this feature. I have a slicing function on my triton, and I am constantly comparing it with live as a sampler, since I hope to move away from hardware more, unless its analog or has strings or made of bamboo.

It was an OS upgrade on the triton.. a free one at that, which gave crossfading, timestretching, and slicing to the sampler section. Given this was programmed for DOS, I wonder how difficult it would be to create a simple slicer tool in the arranger view.

Basically you could open up an audio track, drag "slicer" into it, find a nice drum track from the browser, drag into the track, wait for a few moments while it is analyzed and sample slice resolution is rendering, boom! Its cut up and ready to drag into impulse. Then you can just keep that track there for the next slicing you do, and click a button to hide it.

NO I think they will just include it with sampler once it gets updated.... There you go Abes, that will surely sell more sampler upgrades! Oh shit! I think I'm on to something...

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:04 am

thanks for keeping it alltogether Glu,

yeah slicing is a necessity for a sampler/looptool but in addition to that its important that we can just sequence the slices in the slicer track and not have to drag them to impulse.

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:08 am

nice that you found that ableton quote in the manual though

, maybe the naysayers will give us a break

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:58 am

glu wrote:BACK ON TRACK

Just thought I would quote page 175 of the live manuel

17.2.4, 4th paragraph

" We discourage using this technique {sample offset} for "analytical" cut-and-splice tasks; they are much easier to perform using Live's Arrangement View..."

Following this method it is easy to create custom kits. Its not automatic, and I guess there is a crowd of customers who want this feature. I have a slicing function on my triton, and I am constantly comparing it with live as a sampler, since I hope to move away from hardware more, unless its analog or has strings or made of bamboo.

It was an OS upgrade on the triton.. a free one at that, which gave crossfading, timestretching, and slicing to the sampler section. Given this was programmed for DOS, I wonder how difficult it would be to create a simple slicer tool in the arranger view.

Basically you could open up an audio track, drag "slicer" into it, find a nice drum track from the browser, drag into the track, wait for a few moments while it is analyzed and sample slice resolution is rendering, boom! Its cut up and ready to drag into impulse. Then you can just keep that track there for the next slicing you do, and click a button to hide it.

NO I think they will just include it with sampler once it gets updated.... There you go Abes, that will surely sell more sampler upgrades! Oh shit! I think I'm on to something...

wouldnt it be better to drag a loop straight to impulse, get a dialog asking for a few parameters (8th,16th etc) and then automatically mapped to it?

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:22 am

not really forge, the whole point is to not have to drag the slices anywhere, and still be able to have alot of options right within the slicer, thats what makes a slicer such a workflow-centric sample tool and then imagine if the slicer had all of these features

8 part MULTI-TIMBRAL Groove Activating Virtual Instrument. Each part comprising one loop channel, additional edit channel and 32 step-time parts so up to 272 fully programmable (16 groove-based, 256 step-time) loops in total, per instance!
LOADS Propellerhead Recycle™ REX and REX2 files & ACIDized® loops plus WAV and Aif Files so you can use your own samples too!

Hugely POWERFUL SAMPLE BROWSER with user definable filters to quickly and easily find the sounds you want the way you want to! Never waste time finding your beats again!

INSTANT CONTROL - Loops automatically sync to host tempo with single-key trigger and real-time pitch shifting, loop slices can be individually triggered or MIDI data exported to edit in your host sequencer for total flexibility
FULL BEAT EDITING - remove, mute, reverse, substitute or export any hit from within a groove! Nudge single hits or groups around, edit every hit or place controls assignable over MIDI on a note or groups of notes for amazing results - all in real time too! Great for interactive beat building or even live applications! When we say complete beat control we really mean it!

STEP-TIME SEQUENCER - TR-Style Step Sequencer with 32 slots you can load with your own samples or any hit from any loop in this library

Complete control & Powerful processing options - Powerful resonant multi-mode filter, 4 64 bit FX processors, all parameters controllable via user-assigned MIDI controller data

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:26 am

stale bread wrote:not really forge, the whole point is to not have to drag the slices anywhere,

no I meant drag the whole loop - like from the browser

but yeh, again, it's not something I'm after so I cant really say...

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:10 pm

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:55 pm

SLICED!

.lm.

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:39 pm

arrrrrghhhhhhhh!

fatrabbit · Post by **fatrabbit** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:52 pm

Why is this guy so obsessed with a built-in slicer? Just use Ctrl + E in the arrange view or Phatmatik as a plug-in.

forge · Post by **forge** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:06 am

fatrabbit wrote:Why is this guy so obsessed with a built-in slicer? Just use Ctrl + E in the arrange view or Phatmatik as a plug-in.

well yeah - I know the "if you dont use one you dont know" thing

but considering it is so easy (you dont even need ctrl +E) to drag slices of a loop from arrange to an impulse slot then all I can see missing is the pre-made midi files to go with the cut up loop - and if that's the case why not just use a loop if you want it the same?????

just drag the bits to impulse and play them like slices - it's f%*king easy

you can even build a rack of multiple impulses in about 2 seconds with a pitch plugin and have 16/24/32 slices if you want and save it as a rack

where is the problem?????

sounds a bit like your next request will be a "make me a platinum record" button

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:13 am

fatrabbit wrote:Why is this guy so obsessed with a built-in slicer? Just use Ctrl + E in the arrange view or Phatmatik as a plug-in.

he's an attention-whore. he thinks its amusing. It gives him some kind of identity in the community "the slicer guy".

and you know what, people encourage him. some people like a good ole fashioned circle-jerk.