is it really worth spending more for mac?

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:29 pm

sixela wrote:
jamief wrote:
Pay the death star then. Its your choice

don't underestimate the power of the darkside

i know i know thats what im saying

sixela · Post by **sixela** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:35 pm

regarding this whole microsoft=big brother etc thing though, I'd like to believe it was as simple as a george w bush style "thems the good folk, and thems the freedom hatin evil doers" but personally i think the second any business gets that big they's all 'axis-of-evil' lets face it, when no one individual is held accountable, big businesses do what the hell they like and i don't believe for a second that apple are any better.

At the end of the day this whole mac vs PC thing is like what car you drive, simple preferred choice.

I choose a stompin great CPU that eats whatever i throw at it.

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:43 pm

sixela wrote:regarding this whole microsoft=big brother etc thing though, I'd like to believe it was as simple as a george w bush style "thems the good folk, and thems the freedom hatin evil doers" but personally i think the second any business gets that big they's all 'axis-of-evil' lets face it, when no one individual is held accountable, big businesses do what the hell they like and i don't believe for a second that apple are any better.

At the end of the day this whole mac vs PC thing is like what car you drive, simple preferred choice.

I choose a stompin great CPU that eats whatever i throw at it.

I think Apple are inherently better. Remember Al Gore's Assocition with Steve jobs not so long ago. I think we can garner a lot from that.

If Al had become president do you think there would have been a war
? Personally i dont.
By association - Apple or Steve were making a statement.

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:50 pm

jamief wrote:If Al had become president do you think there would have been a war
? Personally i dont.
By association - Apple or Steve were making a statement.

Maybe. I think it was a business decision; Gore has a lot of government contacts which can make it easier for Apple to sell the gov't hardware. Then again, Homeland Security just standardized on Microsoft (!).

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:04 pm

Alex Reynolds wrote:
jamief wrote:If Al had become president do you think there would have been a war
? Personally i dont.
By association - Apple or Steve were making a statement.
Maybe. I think it was a business decision; Gore has a lot of government contacts which can make it easier for Apple to sell the gov't hardware. Then again, Homeland Security just standardized on Microsoft (!).

I agree it was a bussiness decision but Apple could also have made the same decisiion to lobby Bushes admin. So we have to give them credit. I think there was a bit more to it than that as you yourself hint at.
Apple do need to strengthen their position. I really feel they are approaching bussiness from a wider more enghlitend postion - but with this approach you would always have to be aware of the sharks without becoming a shark yourself. Apple have however put the squeeze on Adobe as far Adobes Apple software. Adobe still have the pc market to balance there books/act though - so perhaps not a complete manifestation of shark like personality traits from Apple in that instance.

Homeland Security just standardized on Microsoft -- there we have it pyschops - deathstar - imperialised merchandising - illumanti - still it'll all end in tears for them

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:44 pm

In Scotland,
it use to be that nearly everyone would sing and act out stories or work with each other on music. It was a way of passing doon stories and expressing your real nature and the wisom passed down from your forrefathers and mothers.

With industrialisation a lot of that died.

With IDVD, I Movie, Garageband, I Photo, etc etc everyone is getting the chance to tell there stories and sing there songs again !

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:51 pm

If you think Macs are expensive:

-- http://www.icube.us/sony_x505/product_overview.htm

-Alex

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:35 pm

Wow! look at this thread go. What the f*k was the guy who posted the "paid message" thing on? Could the guy who posted the original question have possibly expected that kind of reaction? I hope he's a little clearer as to his decision. Somehow I doubt it.
Jamief, is there anything inherently wrong in using an imperial battlecruiser to shoot at the deathstar?

Cheers all

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:03 pm

Okay then, back to the original question.

If you feel you would enjoy using a Mac and that it will have enough grunt to run the applications you get to choose from on that platform. If you feel your investment will give you pleasure over and above that which you would get from buying a PC based system, then sure it's worth the money. Buy what you fel is good for your needs, both platforms are powerful and have their own pros and cons.

But the answer for many is no as shown in that there are more that don't than do. For whatever reasons they may be. Apparently it can't be a cost issue so that van't be the reason. Apparently Macs are so much more stable so it can't be that either. I assume it must be that PC users are just a bit dim then as any other reasons are running a bit thin really it seems. Still, it's good to have the competition and it keeps the fundamentalists feeling superior I guess.

jamief · Post by **jamief** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:18 pm

Martyn wrote:Wow! look at this thread go. What the f*k was the guy who posted the "paid message" thing on? Could the guy who posted the original question have possibly expected that kind of reaction? I hope he's a little clearer as to his decision. Somehow I doubt it.
Jamief, is there anything inherently wrong in using an imperial battlecruiser to shoot at the deathstar?

Cheers all

No. True Martyn

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:30 pm

Mac fundamentalists! I love it.

Another fairly good reason for choosing the mac platform for music is that you don't get so many people dissing you for the platform you use. I've been shocked since joining this forum (my first forey into internet discussion of any kind) at how many people will jump into a conversation seemingly with the sole purpose of making one feel bad about himself and the equipment he chooses to use. If you can afford it, go and buy a mac. You'll feel instantly cool and be part of the professional audio elite, fighting for truth and light (well maybe not truth) and will be using the force againced the evil MS empire. Like you're going to put a dent in it with your choice.
BTW a lot of the pc vs mac have been started on pupose by twatty individuals just stirring things up, that "mac sucks" thread should have been ignored by everyone really (I'm as guilty as anyone of taking the bait) Macs don't suck, pcs dont suck either. Compared to my trusty old Atari, ALL this equipment is AMAZING. And whatever platform you choose, you will still get those days when you find yourself staring at a couple of loops going round and round and wonder if you arn't wasting hours, days, weeks or years of your life, and you shouldn't choose a healthier, slightly less anal lifestyle.
That said, I'm off, I've got a tune on the go

tjwett not logged in · Post by **tjwett not logged in** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:15 pm

Alex Reynolds wrote:If you think Macs are expensive:

-- http://www.icube.us/sony_x505/product_overview.htm

-Alex

yeah no shit. 1ghz processor and a 10" screen for $3500? sign me up!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:19 am

I know, it's shocking isn't it. Trying to sell a laptop with last generation performance silicon inside. I don't know how they get away with it really, do you?

Still, at least there are alternatives and surprisingly at nowhere near that price. Hmm, maybe Sony are targetting the "my cock is bigger than yours" that don't mind wasting money on such hardware. Can't think offhand where they got that idea.

Alex Reynolds · Post by **Alex Reynolds** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:16 pm

Anonymous wrote:I know, it's shocking isn't it. Trying to sell a laptop with last generation performance silicon inside. I don't know how they get away with it really, do you?

Still, at least there are alternatives and surprisingly at nowhere near that price. Hmm, maybe Sony are targetting the "my cock is bigger than yours" that don't mind wasting money on such hardware. Can't think offhand where they got that idea.

Tsk. Tsk. Still it proves my point. I can find other examples if you like. Halfway decent PCs are not nearly as cheap as people here seem to think. You can even get ripped off, believe it or not!

-Alex

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:04 pm

get over it Alex. With Apple, there is ONE supplier, basically one price for each model, and a limited number of models, each with parts from ONE company. Great if our apple, not so good if you are a consumer trying to make your hard-earned money go far (assuming one works for their money). With pc's there are a myriad of suppliers--clearly there are many more options, configurations, and complexity to the purchasing of a pc. Yes, pcs are generally geared to business and office needs, but there are still a handful of dedicated audio pc (laptop and desktop) manufacturers. Sure, have fun spending hours surfing the net to find ridiculously priced pcs to prove your mac points, hope you had fun. Meanwhile, smart shoppers can find incredible deals on quality pcs from gateway, toshiba, and sometimes even sony. You can take the prices from the top-of-the-line models and say they are comparable to macs, but for Live, you don't need a top-of-the-line pc laptop to have WAY more tracks and effects than the best Mac, plain and simple. For about $1,200 you can get a blazingly fast P4 xp laptop, that will smoke the most tricked out mac on Live performance. For people that don't buy the mac hype and are willing to look around a bit and do the research, this makes a lost more sense, and leaves room to buy a kick-ass soundcard and accesories from the money saved by not buying a Mac.