Live 7

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:47 pm

Robert Henke wrote: Okay. All good. We will do it. But don`t know when.

Robert

Very nice, Robert!

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:00 pm

Angstrom wrote:no one for a drum map?

Is it realy important? Its a nice future, but I think i can live without..

Ive herd in live 6 you can make racks output individual selectable note names.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:01 pm

Angstrom wrote:I am contractually obliged to mention recording controllers in session at this point.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:04 pm

ze2be wrote:
Angstrom wrote:no one for a drum map?
Is it realy important? Its a nice future, but I think i can live without..

Ive herd in live 6 you can make racks output individual selectable note names.

wrong, you have misunderstood

you can name a layer and use "show names in editor" , to repeat , those names are the names of the layers - not the instruments.

so you see this

and yes, drum maps are important.
More than 8 slots in Impulse and being able to see the names of the drum sounds is important. Especially if you have a kit of greater than 30 samples in size

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:05 pm

ha ha... lots of people don't agree with themselves!

Heh-heh... I never agree with myself!

Yes I do...

No I don't...

I mean, um...

Shiyit...

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:45 pm

Angstrom wrote:
ze2be wrote:
Angstrom wrote:no one for a drum map?
Is it realy important? Its a nice future, but I think i can live without..

Ive herd in live 6 you can make racks output individual selectable note names.
wrong, you have misunderstood

you can name a layer and use "show names in editor" , to repeat , those names are the names of the layers - not the instruments.

so you see this

and yes, drum maps are important.
More than 8 slots in Impulse and being able to see the names of the drum sounds is important. Especially if you have a kit of greater than 30 samples in size

Aha, ok I see. This looks kind of useless, yes!

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:27 am

I'd just like to see 2 kinda related arrangement features included in session view as well (still wonder why they weren't):

*full video functionality

*ability to set a warped clip as master

Because they could really do it without any UI changes, I'm hoping they'll sneak it into 6.1.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:03 am

John Sweet wrote: *ability to set a warped clip as master

I'm sure you know this, but you can do this in arrangement view in live 6, just not session. it would also be very (if not more) helpful to be able to do this in session too.

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:14 am

yeah, the point of the post is why are they on 1 side & not the other.

The developers were clearly siding with the desk users over the stage users there. I'm just hoping they restore the balance soon.

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:07 am

John Sweet wrote:yeah, the point of the post is why are they on 1 side & not the other.

The developers were clearly siding with the desk users over the stage users there. I'm just hoping they restore the balance soon.

Id like to see a tempo track, with tempo clips in session mode. If you want to sync to an un-even song, and you want to cut it up in pieces, and jam with the pieces, youd need this.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:08 am

John Sweet wrote:yeah, the point of the post is why are they on 1 side & not the other.

The developers were clearly siding with the desk users over the stage users there. I'm just hoping they restore the balance soon.

I think it's more because of the history of the feature. It came (very very recently) out of the ability to adjust the tempo to match scenes in a video . That video-to-tempo adjustmenty is handled by the adjustment of the warp markers within the movies's audio. Obviously when scoring to a video it makes sense to do that to a timeline - such as the one in arrangement.

When people on the Alpha started "abusing" the function to make grooves the Abes realised that they could alter the function slightly to give any audio clip in arrange the ability to be the master. That was July the 18th (!)

Why it's not in Session
Clip "Master" works in the same way that you open up the master track and edit the tempo map there. Thats why they are called Master clips, they take over some function from the Master track envelopes in Arrange.

notice that we don't actually have clips in the Master strip in Session, you see what the problem is. They cant use a "Master in any track" solution like in arrange - because the arrange version acheives what it does by actually writing an absolute envelope.
There is no relative session envelope for tempo , session tempo is handled by scene names.

so no freaky conspiracy, just that some things are easier to do than others. It may happen. I guess not for L6.0 though based on guessing.

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:18 am

Patch wrote:
ha ha... lots of people don't agree with themselves!
Heh-heh... I never agree with myself!

Yes I do...

No I don't...

I mean, um...

Shiyit...

roses are red, voilets are blue.........you are schizophrenic..........and SO ARE YOU!

John Sweet · Post by **John Sweet** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:36 pm

Another victim of the absolute/relative issue? Bring on the session view fixes, then, I can't wait.

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:10 pm

Angstrom wrote:
John Sweet wrote:yeah, the point of the post is why are they on 1 side & not the other.

The developers were clearly siding with the desk users over the stage users there. I'm just hoping they restore the balance soon.
I think it's more because of the history of the feature. It came (very very recently) out of the ability to adjust the tempo to match scenes in a video . That video-to-tempo adjustmenty is handled by the adjustment of the warp markers within the movies's audio. Obviously when scoring to a video it makes sense to do that to a timeline - such as the one in arrangement.

When people on the Alpha started "abusing" the function to make grooves the Abes realised that they could alter the function slightly to give any audio clip in arrange the ability to be the master. That was July the 18th (!)

Why it's not in Session
Clip "Master" works in the same way that you open up the master track and edit the tempo map there. Thats why they are called Master clips, they take over some function from the Master track envelopes in Arrange.

notice that we don't actually have clips in the Master strip in Session, you see what the problem is. They cant use a "Master in any track" solution like in arrange - because the arrange version acheives what it does by actually writing an absolute envelope.
There is no relative session envelope for tempo , session tempo is handled by scene names.

so no freaky conspiracy, just that some things are easier to do than others. It may happen. I guess not for L6.0 though based on guessing.

Well, it would be nice if we could choose if we wanted to use master tempo in session, or arrange. For me its all about jaming tempo changes. Its all about live!

Not common in 4x4 electro, but indeed in contemporary jazz, and various sound art genres.

zstowasser · Post by **zstowasser** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:15 pm

detachable windows is a good idea.

I don't write music with live because the windows aren't detachable. My computer has three screens and I use cubase for writiing music because I can spread everything out. I use live for DJ work on my one-screen laptop. But Detaching audio channels wave forms is a good idea so I can see more than one tracks waveform at a time.

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